# A Month Full of Bugs

**URL:** <https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-month-full-of-bugs/93060>\
**Category:** General Discussion\
**Created:** [July 27, 2018, 11:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-month-full-of-bugs/93060 "2018-07-27T23:31:28Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 15\
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**Author:** ![Smart\_Sister](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/smart_sister/32/24553_2.png) [@Smart\_Sister](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Smart_Sister)\
**Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-month-full-of-bugs/93060/21 "2018-07-30T15:38:59Z")

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Do you really find it normal that a company with hundreds of thousands of clients could rob without consequences all of them for 50c each just because its “pocket change” for anyone ?

Maybe that’s how you became rich huh ?

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**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\
**Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-month-full-of-bugs/93060/22 "2018-07-30T15:43:18Z")

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Someone needs a little loan of 1 000 000 ISK?

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**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\
**Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-month-full-of-bugs/93060/23 "2018-07-30T17:42:13Z")

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> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#):
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> Therefore, from the bottom of my heart, allow me to happily compensate each and everyone of you 50 cents (aka one day worth of subscription) you have lost. You REALLY, REALLY need it!

Ill take it in the form of 16 plex. Thanks.

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**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\
**Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-month-full-of-bugs/93060/24 "2018-07-30T17:46:32Z")

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> [@Smart\_Sister](#):
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> Do you really find it normal that a company with hundreds of thousands of clients could rob without consequences all of them for 50c each just because its “pocket change” for anyone ?

You do realize that CCP falcon has stated they are going to reimburse us right? They are just waiting for the bugs to actually get fixed before they hand them out. Cause otherwise we would get people like you coming in and saying “hey you reimbursed us but the bugs arent fixed yet!!! I wamt another reimbursement.”

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**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\
**Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-month-full-of-bugs/93060/25 "2018-07-30T20:09:40Z")

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> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#):
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> How do you know those are all alt characters belonging to the same player?

1. _Post history._  
@Crew_Member and @Sasha_Rits both posted last in November 2017 in the same threads. Now all three posted (Turin\_San for the first time) in July 2018

2. _Writing style_  
All share a writing style like this. In short sentences.  
And paragraphs. Paragraphs!

3. _Forum join date_  
Nov 8th & 9th for all three of them.

4. _Overall Forum use similarities_  
Each visited 4 days. Overall read time for each 21m, 26m and 43m.

5. _Security Status_  
Both Crew Member and Sasha Rits claim to run missions, the posts are not even an hour apart. Both have 0.0 / 0.1 security status.

6. _Corp_  
All in the same small corp with only 3 Zkill entries. Similarities between many chars.  
More interestingly look at join and leave dates. It will show you.

All of that together makes it highly likely that it’s one guy with 3 alts, who is trying to support his own agenda aka hating on the game. One or two of these things - okay. All of them together, nope, it’s clear.

> AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, wait for it…

Also there are more of him here:  
@Zutan_Rits, @04DAM, @RedxLeader, and so on.  
Best self-like post so far… 12 of 13 likes created by his own alts. lol, what an effort.

> [@Drones - Internet Connection Problems \[New Feature\]](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drones-internet-connection-problems-new-feature/37254):
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> I would like CCP to develop a feature that would help mitigate the drone losses in PVE because of internet connection lost. I recommend the following Feature: - Be able to select an option in the menu that prevents your ship from warping to safety before your drones have returned to the drone bay in case of a connection lost. I know this can be adouble-edged sword, but I like to use drones and I do not like losing 5x125M drones (‘Augmented’ Praetor) due to my unstable internet connection.

> [@Solonius\_Rex](#):
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> Isnt it clear? To inflate the problem so that they will receive an even larger compensation from CCP. They are just trying to farm compensation rewards.

It’s was a rhetorical question 😉

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**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\
**Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 11:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-month-full-of-bugs/93060/26 "2018-07-30T23:46:27Z")

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> [@zluq\_zabaa](#):
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> > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#):
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> > How do you know those are all alt characters belonging to the same player?
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> 1. _Post history._  
> @Crew_Member and @Sasha_Rits both posted last in November 2017 in the same threads. Now all three posted (Turin\_San for the first time) in July 2018

I’m sure there’s a lot of other names that have also posted in the same threads.

> [@zluq\_zabaa](#):
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> 1. _Writing style_  
> All share a writing style like this. In short sentences.  
> And paragraphs. Paragraphs!

Which doesn’t really prove anything.

> [@zluq\_zabaa](#):
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> 1. _Forum join date_  
> Nov 8th & 9th for all three of them.

There’s a whole lot of other characters who also joined on the same date.

> [@zluq\_zabaa](#):
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> 1. _Overall Forum use similarities_  
> Each visited 4 days. Overall read time for each 21m, 26m and 43m.

Can probably find a bunch more characters with the same stats.

> [@zluq\_zabaa](#):
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> 1. _Security Status_  
> Both Crew Member and Sasha Rits claim to run missions, the posts are not even an hour apart. Both have 0.0 / 0.1 security status.

Distribution missions don’t increase your security status, neither do most Storyline missions as well.

> [@zluq\_zabaa](#):
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> 1. _Corp_  
> All in the same small corp with only 3 Zkill entries. Similarities between many chars.  
> More interestingly look at join and leave dates. It will show you.

Those could just be personal friends who all started playing this game about the same time.

> [@zluq\_zabaa](#):
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> All of that together makes it highly likely that it’s one guy with 3 alts, who is trying to support his own agenda aka hating on the game. One or two of these things - okay. All of them together, nope, it’s clear.
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> Also there are more of him here:  
> @Zutan_Rits, @04DAM, @RedxLeader, and so on.  
> Best self-like post so far… 12 of 13 likes created by his own alts. lol, what an effort.

Maybe try playing the game instead of wasting time doing a bunch of useless research. Guess that explains why you haven’t experienced any issues with the game server. Sounds like you need to validate your own self-worth by Investing time and effort just to hopefully refute someones claim.

By the way, the game server has indeed been really shitty lately.

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**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\
**Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 7:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-month-full-of-bugs/93060/27 "2018-07-31T07:28:27Z")

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> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#):
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> Maybe try playing the game instead of wasting time doing a bunch of useless research. Guess that explains why you haven’t experienced any issues with the game server.

Actually I only did the research because you asked me how I knew. I didn’t. I suspected because it seemed weird in this thread. Now I know.

> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#):
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> Sounds like you need to validate your own self-worth by Investing time and effort just to hopefully refute someones claim.

Seriously, this is the weakest ad hominem in a while. Get good.

> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#):
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> By the way, the game server has indeed been really shitty lately.

There were some issues, so what. My claim is that EVE players are rather spoiled with how well the servers are running on average. Many players understand that and they’re humble and somewhat in solidarity with the Devs so that they don’t totally freak out about issues. If someone states he’s unhappy about the current state, okay, I can accept that.

You say how it has been for you and I can only say that I absolutely didn’t have any of those issues. Logins are fine, connection is fine, stability is fine, gameplay is fine. There were some rare problems with chat but only under specific circumstances which are avoidable.

Now, if one guy comes here and uses his alts to push his agenda of ranting about the game, why should I not question his motivation?

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**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\
**Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 7:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-month-full-of-bugs/93060/28 "2018-07-31T07:37:30Z")

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OK, played the last couple of days intensively with multiple clients and did not encounter any issues at all with the server or the client.

Maybe those problems are on your end?

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**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\
**Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-month-full-of-bugs/93060/29 "2018-07-31T08:41:05Z")

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> [@zluq\_zabaa](#):
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> Now, if one guy comes here and uses his alts to push his agenda of ranting about the game, why should I not question his motivation?

Nice work! According to Anderson, when you start talking about people’s behaviour and motivations, it’s an ad hominem. : - )

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**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\
**Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-month-full-of-bugs/93060/30 "2018-07-31T08:53:30Z")

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> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#):
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> According to Anderson, when you start talking about people’s behaviour and motivations, it’s an ad hominem. : - )

Yeah, she also thinks science is all about proving things

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**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\
**Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 9:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-month-full-of-bugs/93060/31 "2018-07-31T09:06:42Z")

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Even forbes seems to disagree. I’d say we nominate Anderson for the title “Honourary US-American”.

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**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\
**Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 9:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-month-full-of-bugs/93060/32 "2018-07-31T09:29:38Z")

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> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#):
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> Nice work! According to Anderson, when you start talking about people’s behaviour and motivations, it’s an ad hominem. : - )

I think it would only fit the general definitions of “ad hominem” if I tried to invalidate his argument.

The thing is OP didn’t even bring an argument, just a statement. And I think I made it clear that while I don’t experience the named issues, I have no problem accepting that other people might. I do have a problem with people trying to fake “public” support for an opinion/statement though.

In return, my argument absolutely goes against the person, not his statement.

To make this more clear: If someone states that everytime he passes a cat, he’s smelling sh\*t. Now, no one can prove him right or wrong, as no one can really tell what his receptors are telling him. It’s his own personal experience. It only matters if the tone of his statement and the general setting is viable to create anti-cat sentiment. Then, it’s absolutely necessary to question the person.

In the case of this thread, I think it’s compareable. OP states his own personal experience, but in a way that isn’t looking for answers or solutions. He’s just throwing dirt. Now, I could somewhat accept that if not for his obvious use of alts to even further this agenda. And that’s all.

If someone wants to see that as “ad hominem”, I have no problem with that.

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**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\
**Post date:** [August 1, 2018, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-month-full-of-bugs/93060/33 "2018-08-01T12:46:22Z")

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> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#):
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> Yeah, she also thinks science is all about proving things

Science is about feelings man. Feel it, and it becomes true.

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**Author:** ![Gregorius\_Goldstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gregorius_goldstein/32/11133_2.png) [@Gregorius\_Goldstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gregorius_Goldstein)\
**Post date:** [August 1, 2018, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-month-full-of-bugs/93060/34 "2018-08-01T12:49:30Z")

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Guess I was lucky too, the last month was not better or worse than the ones before.

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**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\
**Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-month-full-of-bugs/93060/35 "2018-10-30T12:49:38Z")

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