# A new era of gameplay! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 7, 2020, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-era-of-gameplay/271991 "2020-10-07T19:31:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Hans-Joerg\_Seiler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hans-joerg_seiler/32/491824_2.png) [@Hans-Joerg\_Seiler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hans-Joerg_Seiler)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-era-of-gameplay/271991/41 "2020-10-08T06:47:56Z")
> [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](#): > > Calling it computer games feels very 90’s. Well Im a children of the 90’s maybee its because that Im using those oldschool words 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/god_emperor_kane/32/399336_2.png) [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/God_Emperor_Kane)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-era-of-gameplay/271991/42 "2020-10-08T06:55:02Z")
Same but… You got to get with the program and upgrade yourself to fit in with 2020. Aside from that, what are you trying to say? Spreading good? On that alone EVE with it’s plex for good programs has shown many times that the community cares. There are many EVE based initiative run by players that are the there to support members in RL, even if it just to have somebody to talk to. I don’t doubt that every gaming community has that. And while EVE might have this persona of being cut throat dog eat dog… or man eat man… 🙂 Bad news sells right? So those are the stories people hear the most. X scams Y for Z amount… celebrations… but the larger community as a hole is different with these good initiatives going largely by the wayside. So what point are you trying to make? Everybody already knows the good that eve does. many just chooses to ignore it as it it does not fit their narrative to complain about EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Hans-Joerg\_Seiler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hans-joerg_seiler/32/491824_2.png) [@Hans-Joerg\_Seiler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hans-Joerg_Seiler)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 7:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-era-of-gameplay/271991/43 "2020-10-08T07:00:23Z")
> [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](#): > > So what point are you trying to make? I want to make gaming the most powerful force of good in the world. ---
**Author:** ![Eukaryotian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eukaryotian/32/242653_2.png) [@Eukaryotian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eukaryotian)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 7:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-era-of-gameplay/271991/44 "2020-10-08T07:11:59Z")
Sport the war, war support The sport is war, total war When victory’s a massacre The final swing is not a drill It’s how many people I can kill 🥰 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqnC54vbUbU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqnC54vbUbU) ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-era-of-gameplay/271991/45 "2020-10-08T07:12:36Z")
> [@Hans-Joerg\_Seiler](#): > > I want to make gaming the most powerful force of good in the world. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/1/9104a67a6a3204197edbc7fdd7386d8deef5976a.png "source: imgur.com")](https://imgur.com/inAQTkZ) ---
**Author:** ![Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nujenif_talvanen/32/433113_2.png) [@Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nujenif_Talvanen)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 8:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-era-of-gameplay/271991/46 "2020-10-08T08:14:03Z")
> [@Hans-Joerg\_Seiler](#): > > Some more thoughts on improving the game for the players. Very good post sir. However, I think that support for “broken” players should be a very personal choice. I spent about a year in Arnon between 2019 and early 2020 teaching kids doing the SOE epic arc how to D-Scan and skill into good weapon systems, before sending them off toward FW with a few million ISK. That is just what I like to do when there is no FW content. As for forgiveness… I have an idea for gank victims. The gankers still get their profit, but insurance can be higher payout for unlawful kills in highsec. For example… A person pays for platinum insurance on their Slasher. It gets ganked in highsec by a Vargur. Oh no, the poor Slasher pilot would only get 210,000 ISK in insurance. Insurance should be awarded on a multiplier scale based on the location and circumstances surrounding it. A ganked procurer might get 1.5x insurance in 1.0 highsec, but would only get 0.75x insurance being ganked in nullsec. There can be a whole set of ranges for that. A T1 cruiser in a fleet fight would probably only get 50% of the insurance because of initiated combat in null. This would be a pretty easy way to forgive players who lose a lot in a gank. (Modules not included, of course). o7, fly safe - Rep. Nujenif Talvanen ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-era-of-gameplay/271991/47 "2020-10-08T11:35:08Z")
> [@Hans-Joerg\_Seiler](#): > > > [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](#): > > > > So what point are you trying to make? > > I want to make gaming the most powerful force of good in the world. Good luck with that, let us know how you get on. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 11:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-era-of-gameplay/271991/48 "2020-10-08T11:49:45Z")
> [@Hans-Joerg\_Seiler](#): > > children of the 90’s /waves walking stick angrily Get off my lawn. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-era-of-gameplay/271991/49 "2020-10-08T16:47:41Z")
> [@Hans-Joerg\_Seiler](#): > > Well fun is something good and the most common reason why people are playing computer games. But fun has its borders and cant be a goal for a long term motivation. Computer games need a higher value which make them worth playing even if they dont make fun anymore. The most common goal nearly anyone will agree is to do something good. And computer games can and should take its responsebility in this world and take the chance to become the most powerful force of good in the world. Lets make computer games something we can be proud of, something we can tell our childrens of, something that changed the destiny of the world to the better. Lets raise our flag and show the world the power of computer games. Well, there’s a lot wrong with your perspective on the matter. You get points for trying, though! > [@Hans-Joerg\_Seiler](#): > > Well fun is something good No. Fun is fun. It’s not “something good”. We, which includes you, are not children who simplify things down to good/bad and be done with it. > [@Hans-Joerg\_Seiler](#): > > the most common reason why people are playing computer games. No. People can play computer games for other reasons, too. For example, because they make them feel uneasy and scare them. Arguments like “well that’s because it’s fun for them” doesn’t change that you can’t abuse the word “fun” like this. Example: Me. For me, this game isn’t fun at all. Some things can be fun, but most of the time it’s rather annoying. I still love playing it for a variety of reasons, but _fun_ definitely isn’t what I’m playing it for. Generally do I play games _for the challenge_ and the eventually resulting _satisfaction_ (which is something completely different!), and not because they’re fun. You’re simplifying a pretty complex matter into something a child could comprehend, which is great, but we’re not children. We’re adults. > [@Hans-Joerg\_Seiler](#): > > Computer games need a higher value which make them worth playing even if they dont make fun anymore. So why do you come here and tell _us_ about it, instead of making a thread at the wow forums? They have millions of players! Why do you pick _this_ game for expressing your messiah complex, instead of any of the others with far more players? > [@Hans-Joerg\_Seiler](#): > > The most common goal nearly anyone will agree is to do something good. You’re doing this oversimplification again. > [@Hans-Joerg\_Seiler](#): > > And computer games can and should take its responsebility in this world and take the chance to become the most powerful force of good in the world. Why don’t you tell that to them and see how it goes? > **[World of Warcraft Forums](https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/de/wow/)** > [@Hans-Joerg\_Seiler](#): > > Lets make computer games something we can be proud of, something we can tell our childrens of, something that changed the destiny of the world to the better. Lets raise our flag and show the world the power of computer games. We already have plenty to be proud of. I, for one, would prefer if not every game was made solely for the reasons of “fun” and “good”, because that ends up as “shallow” and “boring” eventually, just like how the video gaming industry looks nowadays. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-era-of-gameplay/271991/50 "2020-10-08T16:47:53Z")
> [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](#): > > ok I love your post. I really do! Expressive minimalism at it’s finest … > [@Rich\_Darine](#): > > Sir this is the Eve Online forum … and this made me laugh! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Rich\_Darine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rich_darine/32/438327_2.png) [@Rich\_Darine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rich_Darine)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-era-of-gameplay/271991/51 "2020-10-08T18:37:32Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > I love your post. I really do! > Expressive minimalism at it’s finest … Such pithy 👌 😏 ---
**Author:** ![Hans-Joerg\_Seiler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hans-joerg_seiler/32/491824_2.png) [@Hans-Joerg\_Seiler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hans-Joerg_Seiler)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-era-of-gameplay/271991/52 "2020-10-08T22:55:49Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Well, there’s a lot wrong with your perspective on the matter. Well I think it is all right with my perspective. > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > No. Fun is fun. It’s not “something good”. You are wrong. Fun is something good. > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > We, which includes you, > are not children who simplify things down to good/bad and be done with it. Things can be divided into good and bad I dont know what should be wrong with that. > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > No. People can play computer games for other reasons, too. This is right and I like it. I just said that the most common reason is fun. Not the only. > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > You’re simplifying a pretty complex matter into something a child could comprehend, which is great, but we’re not children. We’re adults. Im sry if you dont like it simple. I dont want to do harm to anybody through make it simple. > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > So why do you come here and tell _us_ about it, instead of making a thread at the wow forums? Because Im playing Eve Online most times. > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > You’re doing this oversimplification again. Anyhow Im right but if you dont want to have it this simple Im sry for making it this simple. I will keep that in mind and make it more complex the next time. > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Why don’t you tell that to them and see how it goes? I didnt play Wow that much, its not my community. > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > We already have plenty to be proud of. This is right, but it could be even more. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 1:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-era-of-gameplay/271991/53 "2020-10-09T01:43:11Z")
That some politicians copy what some of us do in this game is nothing to be proud of 😜 But joking aside… EvE, a game universe with a slight degree of notoriety regarding play styles inside this universe, is a friendship machine. Being able to count on other pilots in times of adversity and loss creates strong bonds that often become friendships in real life, from one end of the globe to the other. Of that, at least, we, or better the makers of this game, can be proud. ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried\_Tahl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siegfried_tahl/32/377209_2.png) [@Siegfried\_Tahl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siegfried_Tahl)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 2:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-era-of-gameplay/271991/54 "2020-10-09T02:59:48Z")
> [@Hans-Joerg\_Seiler](#): > > You are wrong. Fun is something good. A sadist is having fun, is it good though? > [@Hans-Joerg\_Seiler](#): > > Things can be divided into good and bad I dont know what should be wrong with that. Good and bad are relative. Subjective. Depends on your perspective. In a conflict of any scale both parties, be it 1vs1 or alliance vs alliance fight for their own good. It’s not like one side is objectively good and another is objectively bad. * * * All of the mammals play games. Earning life experience, trying different survival strategies in safe conditions, determining a place in hierarchy, testing the boundaries of socially accepted behavior. You may want to read my post [Why people play](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-people-play/240493), there is a segment on player motivations there. ---
**Author:** ![Hans-Joerg\_Seiler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hans-joerg_seiler/32/491824_2.png) [@Hans-Joerg\_Seiler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hans-Joerg_Seiler)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 3:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-era-of-gameplay/271991/55 "2020-10-09T03:25:53Z")
> [@Siegfried\_Tahl](#): > > A sadist is having fun, is it good though? The fun is still good only the sadist is bad. > [@Siegfried\_Tahl](#): > > Good and bad are relative. Subjective. Depends on your perspective. Good and Bad is something that can be objectivly be measured and that depends on who you are, what you do and how you feel. > [@Siegfried\_Tahl](#): > > You may want to read my post [Why people play](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-people-play/240493), there is a segment on player motivations there. I will have a look on that, but still going to say that I think every reason why a person is playing a game is because of something good to reach or something bad to avoid. But having a look on what this is in detail seems to be interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Hans-Joerg\_Seiler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hans-joerg_seiler/32/491824_2.png) [@Hans-Joerg\_Seiler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hans-Joerg_Seiler)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 4:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-era-of-gameplay/271991/56 "2020-10-09T04:16:30Z")
I never thought of this clearly to be honest but how would it be if gaming would be the most powerful force of good in the world ? What do you think ? How would the world be reshaped ? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 4:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-era-of-gameplay/271991/57 "2020-10-09T04:34:29Z")
If we all stayed at home and only consumed virtual items - if the narcissist empire builders did their mischief in-game, rather than doing their weird corporate machinations in the real world? Seems like it could be of real benefit. ---
**Author:** ![Hans-Joerg\_Seiler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hans-joerg_seiler/32/491824_2.png) [@Hans-Joerg\_Seiler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hans-Joerg_Seiler)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 4:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-era-of-gameplay/271991/58 "2020-10-09T04:59:52Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Seems like it could be of real benefit. Also thought of this. I mean what if the overtaking of the world through gaming will take all wars in the virtual space ? ---
**Author:** ![Hans-Joerg\_Seiler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hans-joerg_seiler/32/491824_2.png) [@Hans-Joerg\_Seiler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hans-Joerg_Seiler)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 6:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-era-of-gameplay/271991/59 "2020-10-09T06:15:44Z")
I think it could be also good against climate change if people dont use their cars to often because they spending their time having fun with games and staying at home. Also good against Covid 19. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 7:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-era-of-gameplay/271991/60 "2020-10-09T07:05:39Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > if the narcissist empire builders did their mischief in-game Actually those are more likely to be psychopaths. Narcissists, due to their nature, are unable to keep followers. That’s not even a “usually unable”. They’re unable. Narcissists can’t keep themselves from exploding in rage about others for long. If you’re looking for narcissists, look at raging carebears who got ganked, and at those who cry “think of the children”. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-era-of-gameplay/271991.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-era-of-gameplay/271991.md?page=4)