# A new Poco war erupts **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 26, 2022, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-poco-war-erupts/347422 "2022-01-26T23:08:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 1:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-poco-war-erupts/347422/83 "2022-01-29T01:50:53Z")
Okay. Let’s have a fight. You bring 4 additional people, and I’ll bring 49. I look forward to seeing you fly better. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Kalus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_kalus/32/512583_2.png) [@Lord\_Kalus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Kalus)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 1:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-poco-war-erupts/347422/84 "2022-01-29T01:53:19Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I look forward to seeing you fly better. Picking on scrubs and newbies has shaded your opinions of pvp. You’ve obviously never lost a 15 (snuff) vs 80 (us) fleet battle against snuff. Asymmetrical warfare is a thing, even in eve. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 1:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-poco-war-erupts/347422/85 "2022-01-29T01:59:17Z")
Let’s keep it statistically-viable, okay? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Kalus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_kalus/32/512583_2.png) [@Lord\_Kalus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Kalus)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 2:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-poco-war-erupts/347422/86 "2022-01-29T02:03:15Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You bring 4 additional people, and I’ll bring 49. Let me pick the 4 out of everyone who plays and I’d gleefully wipe the floor with your 49. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 2:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-poco-war-erupts/347422/87 "2022-01-29T02:41:52Z")
Then you’re literally advocating in favor of gutting the game because it’s theoretically possible for 5 players to beat 50, instead of trying to solve the issue of why it’s possible for such an outcome to happen at all. Hint: it’s not because of wardecs, but because the game allows players to structure their grindbear corporations in a manner that bypasses all need for adaptation and natural selection. Maybe try fixing _that_ first. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 3:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-poco-war-erupts/347422/88 "2022-01-29T03:28:17Z")
> [@Lord\_Kalus](#): > > I never mentioned new players. I doubt new players, who have roughly a 90% attrition rate anyway, were the driving factor behind those changes. It’s probably moreso the dozens or hundreds of established and paying subscribers compelled to quit because their gameplay was effectively shutdown entirely by the actions of a small group of other players. Nope. You’re more than welcome to look up the Eve Vegas presentation that CCP Burger did. The whole thing was spun up and wrapped in the narrative that wars were pushing new players out of the game and impaction retention. The reality is that the loudest whiners campaigning against wardecs were Nullsec groups. Using the “think of the new players” card as their vehicle to promote the change. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 3:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-poco-war-erupts/347422/89 "2022-01-29T03:43:06Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I’ll bring 49 You mean, ganking? ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-poco-war-erupts/347422/90 "2022-01-29T06:58:27Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > Of course we know he’s said it. > > But I think the whole thing is smashing and good fun. > > We all can make our own stories around this as is the way with eve and I say good luck to everyone , even you Kane Ah. So that makes it ok to grief him? > [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > You mean, ganking? LOL you’re so out of touch in this thread and its great 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-poco-war-erupts/347422/91 "2022-01-29T07:06:53Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > > [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > > > You mean, ganking? > > LOL you’re so out of touch in this thread and its great 😃 Why are carebears so bad at the game **and** the forums? ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-poco-war-erupts/347422/92 "2022-01-29T07:15:02Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Why are carebears so bad at the game **and** the forums? Unsure. I just wish they’d understand basic logic better tho. ---
**Author:** ![Bilbo\_Bawbag](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bilbo_bawbag/32/298799_2.png) [@Bilbo\_Bawbag](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bilbo_Bawbag)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 7:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-poco-war-erupts/347422/93 "2022-01-29T07:16:43Z")
Hi sec pocos should be owned by the local npc faction. Its ridiculous to belive that these huge factions would let a small private corporation control all the materials movement on and off all the planets in thier systems. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 8:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-poco-war-erupts/347422/94 "2022-01-29T08:11:50Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > For all their bluster, Dracvlad and Githany didn’t even bother to show up Unfortunately I have been working and will be for the next day or so ,real does come first but I can still use the forums to post my support for Bjorn or am I not allowed to do that. Btw I sent you some free luck Aiko as you asked 😊 ---
**Author:** ![God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/god_emperor_kane/32/399336_2.png) [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/God_Emperor_Kane)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 9:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-poco-war-erupts/347422/95 "2022-01-29T09:21:21Z")
How are they grieving me? My Navy Apoc fleet said no in the harshest way possible to those Stormbringers. It was not even our (what I consider the best) best Navy Apoc fleet setup we got. Our setup were basic for what we normally use for when we are outnumbered. At the end of the day. We are for hire, it is not our POCOS but I guess if you defend something long enough, to many others it seems to blur the lines. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 9:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-poco-war-erupts/347422/96 "2022-01-29T09:31:03Z")
> [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](#): > > How are they grieving me? Remember that by the earlier-established definitions on these forums, you can be a griefing victim despite not feeling that you were griefed or are a victim in any way. ---
**Author:** ![God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/god_emperor_kane/32/399336_2.png) [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/God_Emperor_Kane)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 9:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-poco-war-erupts/347422/97 "2022-01-29T09:31:30Z")
4 people will not break me or kill me no matter how hard they try. Add 2 more people from our group and they will need a fleet much larger than ours. You keep mentioning Rooks and Kings… were you even in Rook and Kings? As if you are talking like somebody that does. I have been playing since 2008. Like R&K our fleet doctrines is around our logistics wings, just like their Logi ball, we do the same. Mix some gank alts, ECM, nuet pressur, odd ball strategies to deal with higher numbers and you have our fleets. I mean reddit was going nuts that people cannot deal with the tristan drone cancer, but we did using strormbringers as ship everybody says is shyte. Like Bjorn, I also believe in the capabilities and the odd use cases of the Edencom ships. I get frustrated with people that cannot see it. ---
**Author:** ![God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/god_emperor_kane/32/399336_2.png) [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/God_Emperor_Kane)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 9:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-poco-war-erupts/347422/98 "2022-01-29T09:41:02Z")
I am still curious why he thinks I am being grieved. As if when this got announced on his twitch stream (A stream btw which I have subscribed to for month and actively support) I got so excited for the free kill marks this content was going to put on my ships. Granted his popularity might bring in people that have no clue what they are getting into. And reading chat at the time proved that people had no bloody clue what they were talking about. That was the only sad part. All the talkers, who never actually showed their faces. Against any other group you might say there is a case where he basically used his enthusiasm and popularity to stir a mob and dumpster them to get x. Not for his group but for personal gain. I have do have an issue with that a bit. But other people or groups would not have been able to respond. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-poco-war-erupts/347422/99 "2022-01-29T10:07:24Z")
> [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](#): > > I am still curious why he thinks I am being grieved. Just follow the yellow brick posting history. > [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](#): > > Against any other group you might say there is a case where he basically used his enthusiasm and popularity to stir a mob and dumpster them to get x. Not for his group but for personal gain. I have do have an issue with that a bit. But other people or groups would not have been able to respond. Because it’s fundamentally a null-sec persona, and that’s how they do things there. The average null-sec player might not be a carebear, and is trained/conditioned to fight, but most of them are extremely susceptible to brainwashing, and lack certain critical-thinking skills. That’s why I effectively left null-sec nearly 15 years ago and became an independent merc. I wasn’t even part of _bad_ null-sec groups per se, but I could tell what my future would hold if I stuck around, and wanted nothing to do with it since I’ve also never been interested in upper-echelon leadership stuff. Being a line members would’ve been emotionally catastrophic for me over the long term. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Kalus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_kalus/32/512583_2.png) [@Lord\_Kalus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Kalus)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-poco-war-erupts/347422/100 "2022-01-29T10:07:31Z")
> [@Bilbo\_Bawbag](#): > > Its ridiculous to belive that these huge factions would let a small private corporation control all the materials movement on and off all the planets You mean kinda like how NASA contracts out work to SpaceX to put things in orbit because the United States Federal Government scrapped their shuttle program? Yeah man, I agree that is totally unrealistic. ---
**Author:** ![Bilbo\_Bawbag](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bilbo_bawbag/32/298799_2.png) [@Bilbo\_Bawbag](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bilbo_Bawbag)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-poco-war-erupts/347422/101 "2022-01-29T10:44:54Z")
> [@Lord\_Kalus](#): > > You mean kinda like how NASA contracts out work to SpaceX to put things in orbit because the United States Federal Government scrapped their shuttle program? Yeah man, I agree that is totally unrealistic. Nasa do not govern billions of citizens over many star systems. Space X did not blow up someone elses sattelite to make room for their own one. Space X do not control all imports and exports from the planet earth. Space X just lob a few tons into orbit for thier customers, all power and no finesse, of course if you want a launch thats a bit difficult with someting valuable on board like a big space telescope then you leave it to Arianespace to launch it. ---
**Author:** ![God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/god_emperor_kane/32/399336_2.png) [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/God_Emperor_Kane)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-new-poco-war-erupts/347422/102 "2022-01-29T11:37:31Z")
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