# A Open Letter to CCP and Players, changes need to be made for good **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 2, 2022, 7:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623 "2022-09-02T07:36:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Hir\_Alland](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hir_alland/32/332427_2.png) [@Hir\_Alland](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hir_Alland)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 9:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/125 "2022-09-07T21:00:23Z")
All Orcas in high sec should be disintegrated. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/126 "2022-09-07T21:45:27Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Next time this happens I’ll be giving Aiko’s crew co-ordinates. Why wait? Just proactively destroy all mining Orcas. That way you can be sure. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/127 "2022-09-07T22:56:29Z")
I agree. Orcas shouldn’t be allowed in high sec. Nor should they be allowed to use mining drones. They are a capital _support_ ship for mining barges and their like. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 7:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/129 "2022-09-08T07:09:05Z")
How about a whack-an-Orca event? 😏 😈 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 7:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/130 "2022-09-08T07:09:48Z")
Good luck finding my 12 ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 7:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/131 "2022-09-08T07:32:28Z")
As I understand people here discuss actively mining orcas in hisec so don’t think your orcas hidden in some random whs concern them. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 7:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/132 "2022-09-08T07:33:24Z")
There are no active mining Orcas They are all afk by definition Also, thats the other 12 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Voice](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_voice/32/386683_2.png) [@The\_Voice](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Voice)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/133 "2022-09-08T22:02:14Z")
While i agree highsec needs to have permanent safety on would be good for retention And disallow using fillaments in highsec then ofcourse. Basically if you know how the game works you can carebear in any security space, with the exception of wormhole space to some extend, depending on the activity you do. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/134 "2022-09-08T22:15:06Z")
So if you can carebear in any space, why does high sec need special rules? ROFL. That’s a fat no right there dawg. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Voice](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_voice/32/386683_2.png) [@The\_Voice](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Voice)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 10:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/135 "2022-09-08T22:22:20Z")
Its by far the most difficult space to understand with all the rules and exceptions. In all other spaces the rules are much easier to understand. Having permanent safety in highsec will do just that. The only thing i think people can have against it is if they want easy targets. Well thats not really pvp isn’t it? Besides you can makes by far the most isk passively with station trading. Which doesn’t involve any risk at all. ---
**Author:** ![Strider\_Alpha](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/strider_alpha/32/279990_2.png) [@Strider\_Alpha](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Strider_Alpha)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 10:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/136 "2022-09-08T22:23:23Z")
These randoms who make these manifestos on MMO forums thinking that their ideas are the best, and they are going to be the savior of the game is AMAZING to read. Endless entertainment, such delusion, thank you. The swarms of PVE carebears who want to remove PVP is baffling. Do you really enjoy sitting in highsec running the same mission over and over for infinity? ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/137 "2022-09-08T22:28:43Z")
> [@The\_Voice](#): > > Its by far the most difficult space to understand with all the rules and exceptions. In all other spaces the rules are much easier to understand. Having permanent safety in highsec will do just that. The only thing i think people can have against it is if they want easy targets. Well thats not really pvp isn’t it? Besides you can makes by far the most isk passively with station trading. Which doesn’t involve any risk at all. Nope, it would strip EVE of what EVE is. All so you can farm 4s mindlessly. That’s a no from me dawg 😃 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Voice](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_voice/32/386683_2.png) [@The\_Voice](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Voice)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 10:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/138 "2022-09-08T22:35:20Z")
Its a sandbox, if more people run it the value of the item you get via lp will go down. As more becomes available. Still their would be much more profitable things to do. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 10:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/139 "2022-09-08T22:39:20Z")
But not things done in total safety as you want. That totally safety would make it more profitable by far in the long run. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Voice](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_voice/32/386683_2.png) [@The\_Voice](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Voice)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/140 "2022-09-08T22:55:36Z")
Not at all if stuff becomes abundant it will become worthless. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/141 "2022-09-08T23:05:08Z")
So then you admit it’ll become worthless after a time. So why make HS perfectly safe again? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 11:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/142 "2022-09-08T23:34:06Z")
For “retention” of course. 🤪 ---
**Author:** ![A8ina](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/a8ina/32/396998_2.png) [@A8ina](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/A8ina)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 12:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/143 "2022-09-09T00:11:05Z")
I think the game is so old with that agent that they built it they probably are afraid to touch any major things creating bugs and might break it and who’s going to fix it , probably the software engineers that starts it all are retired by now so for now that just policing and painting 🖌🎨 😁 ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 6:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/144 "2022-09-09T06:35:53Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > This mentality is what’s killing Eve. People That Can’t Have Fun And Must Always Farm Uninterrupted. can confirm this this is killing eve some farmers think there is such a thing as a PVE fit to do FW one keep bailing i called him a chicken , he told me , how I’m suppose to fight you in a PVE fit my brain was confused WTF this guy is talking about them i did a lil research on the guy and the mystery was solved he fitted for TOP damage to farm mediums in a frigate never fight , don’t even have a point or web just the DPS to kill the NPC cruiser farm farm farm disgraceful > I fly in, we shoot, most of my interactions are “gf” and that’s it. > > Uncommonly, instead: I fly in, we shoot, then after there might be tons of positive chit chat. We talk about fits, mistakes we made, gossip in the FW zone. You know, the positive and constructive kinds of interaction. Despite us shooting at each other, and maybe one of us floating in a pod. yeah FW was fun CCP did A LOT of small things to ■■■■ the scene over the years sloooooooooooowwwwwly killing the SOLO , lets fight , GF bruh mentality and attracting more and more people that simply don’t belong in LS ☹ FW was perfect for new players and for old players tired of power block ■■■■■■■■ , a place to fight not for profit or for power but for fun , full of funny banter and wholesome rivalry infinite font of PEW PEW with no hard feelings … IMO i dont believe they will make it better , they simply don’t understand FW im playing EVE once in a blue moon just because a nice guy made me a fat ISK donation unfortunately I’m a doomer wen i think about the future of EVE and LS ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/145 "2022-09-09T15:37:20Z")
If the falling players don’t kill Eve, there is always the death of our sun, the upcoming collosion with the Andromeda galaxy, or (if we survive all that) the entropy doom of the entire universe. Eve is dying. We just don’t have a good handle on the timeline. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623.md?page=8)