# A Open Letter to CCP and Players, changes need to be made for good **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 2, 2022, 7:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623 "2022-09-02T07:36:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![The\_Voice](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_voice/32/386683_2.png) [@The\_Voice](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Voice)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/146 "2022-09-09T15:52:03Z")
For keeping new players, they tend to put everything on one basket and get ganked. As veteran its easy to prevent, but it’s killing retention of new players. Plenty of space to pvp but frankly wormholes and low are very lightly populated. S9me parts of null aswell. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/147 "2022-09-09T16:12:08Z")
> [@The\_Voice](#): > > Its by far the most difficult space to understand with all the rules and exceptions There’s nothing even remotely difficult to understand about highsec. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/148 "2022-09-09T16:17:24Z")
There is a learning curve for new gankers. Some of the benefits of highsec stop working unexpectedly. Also, the faction police are a surprise when they first show up. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Voice](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_voice/32/386683_2.png) [@The\_Voice](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Voice)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/149 "2022-09-09T16:42:14Z")
For a new player it is. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/150 "2022-09-09T16:46:45Z")
Keep safeties on green and don’t even attempt to shoot other players? The rest like d-scan, don’t be AFK, pay attention to local and such should be the same. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/151 "2022-09-09T19:58:54Z")
> [@The\_Voice](#): > > For keeping new players, they tend to put everything on one basket and get ganked. As veteran its easy to prevent, but it’s killing retention of new players. Plenty of space to pvp but frankly wormholes and low are very lightly populated. S9me parts of null aswell. Yup and that is 100 percent their fault. And that’s the lesson they need to learn 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 9:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/152 "2022-09-10T09:39:17Z")
Save Hilmar’s Mortgage Report a ganker for greifing today! Edit: damn gankers flagging my posts. Whats up not griefed enough new players out of the game yet? ---
**Author:** ![SoldMyChar\_ForISK](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/soldmychar_forisk/32/333890_2.png) [@SoldMyChar\_ForISK](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SoldMyChar_ForISK)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 9:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/153 "2022-09-10T21:05:49Z")
Hilmar only got a 350 million USD bonus 2 years ago so he definately needs more assistance to survive. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 4:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/154 "2022-09-11T04:05:09Z")
I heard that he spent most of it on skins. ---
**Author:** ![Bob\_Mo\_rane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bob_mo_rane/32/333433_2.png) [@Bob\_Mo\_rane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bob_Mo_rane)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 8:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/155 "2022-09-11T08:05:14Z")
> [@zilusha](#): > > you need to protect the PVE players as we are lambs of the game. Protection? Against what? If you feel threatened go to the police and file a complaint. > [@zilusha](#): > > I am a PVE favored player by nature, and I would speak for most players of my kind who are in fact the majority of players in the world Even though I prefer PvE most of the time I also enjoy PvP so you don’t speak for me. You barely speak for yourself, I don’t think you were elected to represent anyone. Plus, your OP is fake news anyway. > [@zilusha](#): > > PVP players harvest from us How disconcerting. LOL > [@zilusha](#): > > The apparent lack of PVE content(storyline and other non-player interactive contents) is also pushing some players away How many players is it pushing away, do you have a number? > [@zilusha](#): > > in EVE, such tool does not exist. You mean the _I win_ button? You could always start a suggestion thread seeing how this one is so popular. > [@zilusha](#): > > Provide a well constructed and balanced out PVE content and achievement system They’re both already in the game. “_I believe the game itself even though has existed for many years, there is no material defects within it, you need to balance out the players, especially the players who do not speak, if promoting and retaining the corporate CEOs and null sec PvP players is the only goal, you shall wish for a very strong luck in this decade_” 🤔 > [@zilusha](#): > > but the fact that this game is dying does not change no matter what they say or think Everything is always permanently dying. I don’t see the use of formulating a business strategy around the obvious. > [@zilusha](#): > > I shall say no more Thank god. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/156 "2022-09-11T09:42:50Z")
> [@Bob\_Mo\_rane](#): > > “_I believe the game itself even though has existed for many years, there is no material defects within it, you need to balance out the players, especially the players who do not speak, if promoting and retaining the corporate CEOs and null sec PvP players is the only goal, you shall wish for a very strong luck in this decade_” Is there a translation of this gibberish anywhere? ---
**Author:** ![Bob\_Mo\_rane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bob_mo_rane/32/333433_2.png) [@Bob\_Mo\_rane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bob_Mo_rane)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/157 "2022-09-11T10:01:58Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Is there a translation of this gibberish anywhere? That’s what I was wondering. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/158 "2022-09-11T10:05:12Z")
Also what/where/who is it sourced from? ---
**Author:** ![Bob\_Mo\_rane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bob_mo_rane/32/333433_2.png) [@Bob\_Mo\_rane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bob_Mo_rane)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/159 "2022-09-11T10:16:23Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Also what/where/who is it sourced from? It’s from OP. The forum system had an error, wouldn’t let me quote it. Going to to try to quote it again… > [@zilusha](#): > > I believe the game itself even though has existed for many years, there is no material defects within it, you need to balance out the players, especially the players who do not speak, if promoting and retaining the corporate CEOs and null sec PvP players is the only goal, you shall wish for a very strong luck in this decade See if it worked now… _Edit_ yes, it did. That’s where it’s sourced from, straight from OP. I thought someone else could decipher it cause I cannot be bothered with riddles. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/160 "2022-09-11T10:23:04Z")
Ah got you. Teach me to read the thread lol. I assumed it was Hilmar begging for pennies again. ---
**Author:** ![Bob\_Mo\_rane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bob_mo_rane/32/333433_2.png) [@Bob\_Mo\_rane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bob_Mo_rane)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/161 "2022-09-11T10:31:28Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I assumed it was Hilmar begging for pennies again. Would that be an ISK sink or _risk vs reward_? ---
**Author:** ![Skyla\_Amarr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skyla_amarr/32/392813_2.png) [@Skyla\_Amarr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skyla_Amarr)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/162 "2022-09-11T11:35:05Z")
Protect your neck. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 5:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/163 "2022-11-11T05:19:55Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > > > Guess you never saw this about Eve’s A.I. > > It was a bug disguised as a feature. 😝 > > And yes, CCP tries to push the AI of npc’s to resemble more PvP-like actions. I can imagine what the complaints will be then. No, it wasn’t a bug.. When the AI code was implemented, it was based on standings and CCP forgot to limit the NPC’s to only attacking players. The way it is now, warping into an Asteroid Belt will have various enemy Faction NPC’s all mining peaceably next to each other like one big happy family. And as soon as you land on grid, the ones you have bad standings with will turn hostile, target you and or call in Reinforcement Fleets to attack you. And to top it off, the ones you have positive standings with won’t even help / rep you due to the limitations written into the code. Talk about an immersion breaker… ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 6:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/164 "2022-11-11T06:29:20Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > No, it wasn’t a bug… > > When the AI code was implemented, it was based on standings and CCP forgot to limit the NPC’s to only attacking players. All software bugs are man-made, or rather in this case as you point out, man-oversights 😃 I still love referring to that newbiecide on the undock of a rookie system where the triglavians massacred rookies by the dozens. Funniest thing that I saw happening since 2011, as I never was a victim of concordokkening - which is a more subtle variation on the theme of artificial unintelligent reasoning. It is quite clear that ccp never implemented the three laws of robotics into the AI of select NPC groups, lol. I still stand by my opinion that PvE is just a means to an end, namely to fund losses (due to pvp mostly). I’ve had that opinion since the day the first player tried to kill my ship. And I absolutely loved the triglavians in hisec for their vicious behaviour - alas it had to be toned down because of “complaints” from people who didn’t know how to use their user interface. But there’s just no helping or even safeguarding some people, unless one flies the ship _for_ them, lol. In other games it is well-known that one can’t out-heal a stupid tank (the typical cleric/warrior situation). Yesterday I had just finished running a daily SP task when a rookie came into the same anom. He was in a rookie ship. I stayed and gave assistance by webbing and target painting the single frigate npc that was on grid. Alas, our rookie managed to get himself killed, don’t ask me how, he was not pointed. He zoomed off in his green egg and docked up. I followed, tried to give him some money via in-station trading - which he refused. He logged off seconds later. Rage Quit ! Frustration ! Bad Game perhaps, who knows. Not a satisfied customer. The only protection those players need is from themselves, we can’t help them. Yes, it sounds elitist, but that’s how EvE has been successful, it’s the nature of this beast of a game. If players can’t stand losing a free ship to an npc, get another free ship and try again until they know what they’re doing, there’s no way any game designer can meet their expectations… A Lost Cause. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > And as soon as you land on grid, the ones you have bad standings with will turn hostile, target you and or call in Reinforcement Fleets to attack you. And to top it off, the ones you have positive standings with won’t even help / rep you due to the limitations written into the code. So the thing I read somewhere about the diamond mining npcs protecting you from diamond rats (from FOBs) when you have perfect standings with them are not true ? Saves me running mining missions for them, lol. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 7:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623/165 "2022-11-11T07:23:06Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > mining peaceably next to each other Probably the empire NPC corps bribe the pirate NPC corps to leave them alone. 😉 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-open-letter-to-ccp-and-players-changes-need-to-be-made-for-good/375623.md?page=9)