# A plea to any who will listen - CCPls, don't let wormhole groups be "collateral damage" in the October patch **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** wormhole, patchnotes, csm\ **Created:** [September 17, 2018, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-plea-to-any-who-will-listen-ccpls-dont-let-wormhole-groups-be-collateral-damage-in-the-october-patch/106947 "2018-09-17T16:31:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-plea-to-any-who-will-listen-ccpls-dont-let-wormhole-groups-be-collateral-damage-in-the-october-patch/106947/83 "2018-09-19T19:17:26Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > it is currently possible for Heavy Interdictors to achieve perfect agility and extremely high speeds with warp disruption fields active using a specific combination of modules and activation timings. Which effects nothing except closing holes. This is a non-issue. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-plea-to-any-who-will-listen-ccpls-dont-let-wormhole-groups-be-collateral-damage-in-the-october-patch/106947/84 "2018-09-19T19:19:03Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Which effects nothing except closing holes. > > This is a non-issue. Whatever you say Salvos. šŸ™„ ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-plea-to-any-who-will-listen-ccpls-dont-let-wormhole-groups-be-collateral-damage-in-the-october-patch/106947/85 "2018-09-19T19:31:32Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Which effects nothing except closing holes. Here we go again, Salvos talking about a topic he has no clue about. Why are you doing this? Thrashing every thread with your ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā–  that has absolutely nothing to do with what other people are talking about. And no I will not explain it to you this time. Just STFU ---
**Author:** ![Wander\_Prian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wander_prian/32/394208_2.png) [@Wander\_Prian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wander_Prian)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-plea-to-any-who-will-listen-ccpls-dont-let-wormhole-groups-be-collateral-damage-in-the-october-patch/106947/86 "2018-09-19T19:33:42Z")
For closing wormholes, all you need i is the warp disruption field generator and a HIC. The mass reduction comes from the generator. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-plea-to-any-who-will-listen-ccpls-dont-let-wormhole-groups-be-collateral-damage-in-the-october-patch/106947/87 "2018-09-19T19:34:11Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Why are you doing this? Wrong question. The right question is why is CCP doing this. ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 7:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-plea-to-any-who-will-listen-ccpls-dont-let-wormhole-groups-be-collateral-damage-in-the-october-patch/106947/88 "2018-09-19T19:48:44Z")
Iā€™ve got a lot of downvotes on Reddit for that but i will say it again: wormholes are intended to be ā€œdangerous unknown spaceā€ and i never understand why part of this parcel can be calculated and predicted, why it is totally possible to make WH to safe haven by crit all existing WHsā€¦ Actually outside of local chat there is nothing ā€œunknownā€ in J-space these days. ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-plea-to-any-who-will-listen-ccpls-dont-let-wormhole-groups-be-collateral-damage-in-the-october-patch/106947/89 "2018-09-19T20:27:02Z")
> [@Jitus\_Altern](#): > > That is WH without a Rolling HIC. We are whinging because it totally fucks our ability to generate any content whatsoever. First you hide from cluster in WH. Then you need special means to find content. šŸ¤” ---
**Author:** ![Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noragen_neirfallas/32/375148_2.png) [@Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noragen_Neirfallas)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-plea-to-any-who-will-listen-ccpls-dont-let-wormhole-groups-be-collateral-damage-in-the-october-patch/106947/90 "2018-09-19T21:33:35Z")
Once upon a time a ran a small wh corp out of a C2. We used a rolling orca and rolling ravens because itā€™s all we had and knew. We lost 3 ravens to the wrong side of a hole collapse and I remember once making my way gate to gate from deep drone space till I got to highsec. Such were the accepted risks involved for us to get our daily content. I disagree with @Ima_Wreckyou calling hics a cheat but the points s/he made are right. You will adapt. If 3 sweaty nerds fresh outta eve uni managed until we really built up a group Iā€™m sure seasoned vets with years of wh experience will make this work ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 10:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-plea-to-any-who-will-listen-ccpls-dont-let-wormhole-groups-be-collateral-damage-in-the-october-patch/106947/91 "2018-09-19T22:16:13Z")
> [@Old\_Pervert](#): > > At the end of the day, CCP never intended for people to _live_ in WHs. So although emergent gameplay is what it is and players now live there, expecting balance changes to preserve what was never intended isā€¦ meh. And yet we got spam-a-dels to spam everywhere, despite logic or any sense at all. Why wouldnā€™t anyone spam a station in empty space and without any resources to build it with, makes almost sense. NASA is preparing none as we speak. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-plea-to-any-who-will-listen-ccpls-dont-let-wormhole-groups-be-collateral-damage-in-the-october-patch/106947/92 "2018-09-19T22:47:38Z")
> [@Wander\_Prian](#): > > I feel itā€™s lazy way to fix this issue by removing ALL navigation-related things to fix this issue. I think its intended. > [@Wander\_Prian](#): > > The main use-case for HICā€™s is when you have a critted static that you need to get closed so you can continue looking for content. I think ā€œsomeoneā€ did not like this content. ---
**Author:** ![Chatarina\_DeBeers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chatarina_debeers/32/39101_2.png) [@Chatarina\_DeBeers](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chatarina_DeBeers)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 4:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-plea-to-any-who-will-listen-ccpls-dont-let-wormhole-groups-be-collateral-damage-in-the-october-patch/106947/93 "2018-10-07T04:13:26Z")
People are crying over having to use a BS? Getting stuck outside your WH is half the fun! šŸ™‚ Especially if there are enemies around. Just wish there was a way to fit the BS so it could actually give a better fight in WH space AND be able to roll. EVE Online is all about involuntary PVP. Getting stuck outside your WH is part of that. ---
**Author:** ![Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noragen_neirfallas/32/375148_2.png) [@Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noragen_Neirfallas)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 6:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-plea-to-any-who-will-listen-ccpls-dont-let-wormhole-groups-be-collateral-damage-in-the-october-patch/106947/94 "2018-10-09T06:03:43Z")
Rapid heavy dual xlasb ravens šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![Taloris\_Aldercain](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/taloris_aldercain/32/317529_2.png) [@Taloris\_Aldercain](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Taloris_Aldercain)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-plea-to-any-who-will-listen-ccpls-dont-let-wormhole-groups-be-collateral-damage-in-the-october-patch/106947/95 "2018-10-09T13:39:30Z")
Not only that, but Iā€™m pretty sure some ā€œwormhole moduleā€ would follow the gameā€™s plot in how Drifters and Sansha can just pop in and out of places we donā€™t have access to (in addition to possibly extending the wormhole duration we can stay in abyssal deadspace). ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2019, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-plea-to-any-who-will-listen-ccpls-dont-let-wormhole-groups-be-collateral-damage-in-the-october-patch/106947/96 "2019-01-07T13:39:32Z")
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