# A return to the captains lounge or what ever it was called **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 10, 2021, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705 "2021-02-10T11:36:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/222 "2021-04-18T19:26:27Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Im wondering in what way WiS kicked your dog that you are so overwhelmingly negative without even considering any other view. It doesn’t have to have done anything for me to look at the feature from a realistic standpoint and realise it would be a pointless waste Without a compelling reason to use it, people won’t, because everything will be slower done via a 3rd person avatar than by the current station view, literally everything WiS would be pure eye candy completely devoid of any actual substance, and while i’m sure a small percentage of people would love nothing more than to stare at their character, the benefits do not even equal the costs let alone exceed them > [@Zane\_Carbin](#): > > Because he personally doesn’t care for it. Outside of the forum, i have never met someone who actually did care for it, not in all the years the feature was around ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/223 "2021-04-18T19:28:09Z")
And I disagree. I was already aware of your objections, and again for someone who has never seemed particularly negative before, this is just a pretty intense dislike. But as I said, > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > its no biggie. CCP didnt want to try, so they quit. ---
**Author:** ![Zane\_Carbin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zane_carbin/32/281983_2.png) [@Zane\_Carbin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zane_Carbin)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/224 "2021-04-18T19:31:22Z")
> [@Cypherous](#): > > Outside of the forum, i have never met someone who actually did care for it, not in all the years the feature was around That’s what we call an echo chamber. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/225 "2021-04-18T19:35:36Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I was already aware of your objections, and again for someone who hgas never seemed particularly negative before, this is just a pretty intense dislike. Its not about it being a dislike, it literally makes zero business sense to spend resources on it, yet people keep trying to state “but it could be awesome” because they don’t want to look at the bigger picture > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > But as I said, CCP wanted to, there just wasn’t any actual reason and they realised there was no point wasting the resources, its why dust died, its why nova died, its why whatever they want to call the next shooter will be cancelled, its why CCP sold off their VR division, its all about things that people actually interact with and don’t suck Sure they could go waste a fortune and loads of developers time by adding the feature, but when it sucks, and it would, you would blame literally anything other than the fact that the feature sucked > [@Zane\_Carbin](#): > > That’s what we call an echo chamber. Ironic when thats what the people in the forum can’t realise they are a part of, i don’t see reddit whining about it, i don’t see anyone in any public channel at all ingame asking for it, not in rookie help, not in any of the channels i’ve ever been in, none of the alliances i’ve been in or any of the NPSI communities i’ve flown with You can call it an echo chamber but there really doesn’t appear to be _any_ demand for this outside of this forum, why do you suppose that is? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/226 "2021-04-18T19:38:00Z")
Im really not sure who you are trying to convince. What Ive read is different. vOv There’s nothing substantial other than what you feel, so… we done? ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/227 "2021-04-18T19:43:25Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > What Ive read is different. Well by all means link to some example of a considerable number of actual people asking for the feature, i’m sure CCP would love to see it aswell And you would read differently, because you’re actively seeking out people who want the feature, whereas i’m just asking literally any random player and seeing what they say, the numbers line up with the number of people who used the feature, so all in all it doesn’t appear to be something that many actually want ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/228 "2021-04-18T19:45:24Z")
Looks like I can type anything and you wil reply to it with some sort of wierd, defensive statement that’s pretty much missing the point entirely. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/229 "2021-04-18T19:53:08Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Looks like I can type anything and you wil reply to it with some sort of wierd, defensive statement that’s pretty much missing the point entirely There isn’t anything that needs defending, for anyone looking at the bigger picture the choice is instantly obvious, there isn’t anyone to convince, WiS died, and rightfully so from literally every angle you want to look at it other than “its a fun distraction” which doesn’t justify the costs involved Look, i get that a few of you really really really seem to want this feature, i get that i really do, but you need to accept reality, its not happening ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/230 "2021-04-18T19:54:31Z")
Youve just spend, what 4 posts repeating why, in your opinion, without source, you dont like WiS. And? So what? I dont like Pochven, and its not going away, is that relevent somehow? ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/231 "2021-04-18T20:32:05Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Youve just spend, what 4 posts repeating why, in your opinion, without source, you dont like WiS. No, i’ve spent posts pointing out how pointless the feature is, regardless of if i would like it or not, it doesn’t make any odds to me if CCP wants to add it, i will and always have maintained that it would be a complete failure Thing is, you guys wouldn’t be happy no matter what sources we cited, they would literally have to waste the time adding it, for nobody to use it and then for them to remove it again in order to actually convince you guys of the facts that are staring you in the face > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I dont like Pochven, and its not going away, is that relevent somehow? Thats because Pochven actually provides something gameplay related, i don’t like mining that still provides things to the game, i don’t like PI, that still provides something to the games, my personal opinion is those features suck, however i can see the benefits they provide, the same cannot be said for WiS where there are only downsides to be seen As some of us have already agreed, in the absence of any compelling reason to use it, the majority of people just won’t use it, and because they can’t gate any content behind it there will not be a compelling reason There isn’t any scenario where WiS actually succeeds to the point where the return on investment is at the very least matched ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/232 "2021-04-18T20:36:04Z")
> [@Cypherous](#): > > i will and always have maintained that it would be a complete failure Yes, because that is your opinion and you refuse to even consider anything else. We have etablished that quite some time ago. Why do you think repeating that to me is in any way either relevent to the thread, or going to change my mind that you are wrong? And if thats not why you are doing it, why are we even talking at all? If you wont provide sources, why should anyone else when you ask? And Im not the one labouring the same point over and over again. I made my peace with WiS when CCP messed it up. Why havent you? ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/233 "2021-04-18T20:46:34Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Yes, because that is your opinion and you refuse to even consider anything else. Much like the people here asking for WiS refuse to consider the idea actually sucks, don’t think i’ve seen many who would actually be open to admitting the idea was bad > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Why do you think repeating that to me is in any way either relevent to the thread, or going to change my mind that you are wrong? Because the facts never change, the point that its a bad idea will always be relevant every single time this thread pops up because people apparently need reminding why its a bad idea > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > If you wont provide sources, why should anyone else when you ask? What would you like as a source exactly? want me to name the hundreds and thousands of people i’ve interacted with? You already have sources for how literally every action in the game is slower, because you’ve used WiS so you experienced it first hand, you have evidence of the number of people that used the feature, at its peak it was 10%, at the point they removed it, 3% Now, you’re going to sit there and go “but there wasn’t anything to do in it”, i’ll remind you that everything you could do in the hangar view could be done in the CQ view, so i wonder, why was it people still, despite all of that, changed it back to the hangar view? could it be there was a benefit of some kind or reason why the majority of people decided not to stick with it? Because otherwise they would have just left CQ on and the numbers would have been much higher, the fact that they went out of their way to disable the feature tells you something, because the majority of people are too lazy to go out of their way to disable something if it didn’t annoy them or there wasn’t some other underlying reason for turning it off So, provide some similar sources that show that the feature was widely used, widely wanted and worth keeping > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I made my peace with WiS when CCP messed it up. Why havent you? Because there was nothing to “make peace” with, i disabled it day 1 because it was a worse experience, pure and simple, had it not be literally worse than the hangar view i would have likely just have left it on ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/234 "2021-04-18T20:48:50Z")
> [@Cypherous](#): > > Because there was nothing to “make peace” with And yet here you are, pretty much jumping on anyone with a good or even neutral word to say about the concept, while saying things like “Oh look at DUST, no one used it, its was pish and for girls”, and just handily ignoring it was locked behind a £300 console, so no wonder uptake was low. Your hatred for something that doesnt exist anymore and by extention those who miss it is staggering, confusing and really out of what I thought was your character. Just shows that people change I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Aahz\_If](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aahz_if/32/265760_2.png) [@Aahz\_If](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aahz_If)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/235 "2021-04-18T21:07:51Z")
I want WiS Walking in Ships. I look at all those “lights” on my ships and think they are portholes ( are they? ) and think it would be cool if my avatar could walk up to one of them and look out into the void of space, at planets, suns and other ships… but I guess there are other games for that. ---
**Author:** ![hellokittyonline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hellokittyonline/32/244672_2.png) [@hellokittyonline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/hellokittyonline)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 10:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/236 "2021-04-18T22:36:28Z")
Now this would admittedly be pretty cool. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/237 "2021-04-19T14:31:56Z")
Admit it, you just want to stand in the corridor blocking entry to a bar and selling permits for people to enter or exit. ---
**Author:** ![Chirou\_Walker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chirou_walker/32/331047_2.png) [@Chirou\_Walker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chirou_Walker)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/238 "2021-04-20T11:50:06Z")
thats why they should bring it back but upgrade it to make some interactions/activities possible. Simplest thing that comes to mind would be space bars/taverns on stations where you could drink with other players(well there is bunch of commodities after all) listen to musci simply chat and maybe play some small games like cards or something with players. The way more complex ones would be stuff like walking on planets or micro managing your slaves or something on planets which would be great in a type of browser game connected to eve in my opinion but thats kinda different topic ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2021, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/239 "2021-07-14T21:52:31Z")
> [@Chirou\_Walker](#): > > should bring it back but upgrade it to make some interactions/activities possible. If they do. it should be meta. ---
**Author:** ![Athirion\_Malthus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/athirion_malthus/32/291727_2.png) [@Athirion\_Malthus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Athirion_Malthus)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2021, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/240 "2021-10-09T22:54:10Z")
Captains quarters are still gone? My capsuleer is still pointless? Another year of not paying into this game then. The wait continues. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2021, 11:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/241 "2021-10-09T23:03:10Z")
> [@Chirou\_Walker](#): > > thats why they should bring it back but upgrade it to make some interactions/activities possible. Simplest thing that comes to mind would be space bars/taverns on stations where you could drink with other players Right, but _why_ It serves no actual benefit to the game so its pretty much a waste of resources, the main issue, as i’ve already said, is that WiS cannot be the gatekeeper to content because not every machine can run it, so no exclusive space content, which basically means its just a much slower station hangar in pretty much every way, it would need to be instanced to avoid issues with lag and straight up wouldn’t work in the systems that actually get a high number of players idling in > [@Athirion\_Malthus](#): > > Another year of not paying into this game then. The wait continues. I’m going to save you the wait, its never coming back, if you want space barbie you’ll need to play a different game 😛 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705.md?page=11) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705.md?page=13)