# A return to the captains lounge or what ever it was called **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 10, 2021, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705 "2021-02-10T11:36:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2021, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/121 "2021-04-11T23:49:31Z")
> [@Cel\_ah\_Vee](#): > > I seriously doubt it unless CCP decides to pimp out NPCs 😅 A man can dream. Dont block the dream, instead, become the dreamer. > [@Cel\_ah\_Vee](#): > > Time you found out. Easy for you to say. > [@Cel\_ah\_Vee](#): > > Sounds like a personal problem to me. I cant seem to fix it. > [@Cel\_ah\_Vee](#): > > Then move out. It’s not _your_ country, it’s just some land held by certain influential people who hold it with the help of bankers and soldiers. Where would i go. Can I crash at your place for a while? ---
**Author:** ![Cel\_ah\_Vee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cel_ah_vee/32/266253_2.png) [@Cel\_ah\_Vee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cel_ah_Vee)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2021, 11:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/122 "2021-04-11T23:54:04Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > A man can dream. Dont block the dream, instead, become the dreamer I don’t even dream when I sleep, much less awake. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Easy for you to say. Easy for you to do. These broads nowadays don’t have any standards. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > I cant seem to fix it. Practice. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Where would i go. Western Europe. One more ain’t gonna hurt. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Can I crash at your place for a while? Out of the question. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 12:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/123 "2021-04-12T00:05:25Z")
> [@Cel\_ah\_Vee](#): > > I don’t even dream when I sleep, much less awake. I would spread the cloths under your feet. But I, being poor, have only my dreams. I have spread my dreams under your feet. Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. > [@Cel\_ah\_Vee](#): > > Easy for you to do. These broads nowadays don’t have any standards. That should give you a hint as to how low a girls standards must be to date me. > [@Cel\_ah\_Vee](#): > > Practice. How do you practice beign taller? > [@Cel\_ah\_Vee](#): > > Western Europe. One more ain’t gonna hurt. I dont like being an illegal alien. > [@Cel\_ah\_Vee](#): > > Out of the question. Come on, help a bro out. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 12:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/124 "2021-04-12T00:50:47Z")
> [@Cel\_ah\_Vee](#): > > Look, I’m sorry but you’re just going to have to accept the fact that you are wrong on this one, you’re way off-base and don’t worry about it, it’s okay. No one can be right all the time. Citation needed So far nobody has actually provided any evidence to prove the feature was popular, still kind of waiting on that before we can even really get to the next phase, feature was barely used and i’ve pointed out the flaws in the “ideas” people had for the avatar gameplay, so yes, citation needed > [@Cel\_ah\_Vee](#): > > Nope, not by a long shot. As above, got some evidence? > [@Cel\_ah\_Vee](#): > > CQ is a very popular concept for EVE. I’d say 80% of EVE players would welcome the opportunities that CQ would afford them if only CCP would stop looking at their wallet Only 1% used it, if your made up 80% number were accurate i could easily find people ingame who would state they wanted CQ, yet all i ever saw was people who thought it was mostly just a waste of time, where are you getting your 80% number from exactly lol > [@Xanthellus](#): > > It was used by 1% because it had no use and there was nothing to do. Right, but if so many people loved the feature they would have kept using it instead of swapping back to the default hangar view > [@Xanthellus](#): > > Stating that a new and working version with actual gameplay would still only be used by a similar 1% is disengenuous at best and downright stupid at worst. Citation needed It wouldn’t be used by the masses in the least, i mean you’re free to think it would but i find it extremely unlikely the masses would opt-in to use it long term, sure they would swap initially just because it was new, but when it started to affect their ability to do things quickly then it would soon be dropped, not to mention all the players who already have to play EVE on potato settings due to hardware restrictions or those multiboxing who wouldn’t want the extra lag if you have evidence to prove that it would be popular then present it > [@Xiombarg\_Ohmsford](#): > > Actually, it was 3% of players, everything is in the numbers. Oh no it was 3%, best reintroduce it then, its still a meaningless number, even at its peak sustained it was only hovering around 10%, which might have been atleast partially worth considering, and is likely why the feature wasn’t remove until it dropped down, all in all thats still not enough of a playerbase to really consider spending the time and resources on, its ROI pure and simple, but thats perfectly normal, if something is underperforming you reassign resources, the feature wasn’t as impressive as they had hoped, and as per usual CCP dreams big but can’t quite reach it when it comes to anything not spaceship related, so there wasn’t any more point developing the tech when the original reason for it being created, the WoD MMO, was no longer on the table ---
**Author:** ![Rich\_Darine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rich_darine/32/438327_2.png) [@Rich\_Darine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rich_Darine)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 1:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/125 "2021-04-12T01:44:53Z")
I would also like to see a return of Captain’s Quarters. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 2:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/126 "2021-04-12T02:38:47Z")
> [@Cypherous](#): > > So far nobody has actually provided any evidence to prove the feature was popular, still kind of waiting on that before we can even really get to the next phase, feature was barely used and i’ve pointed out the flaws in the “ideas” people had for the avatar gameplay, so yes, citation needed If they added sex, this feature wouldve been immensely popular, you know. ---
**Author:** ![Xanthellus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xanthellus/32/253691_2.png) [@Xanthellus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xanthellus)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 3:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/127 "2021-04-12T03:56:04Z")
Stop back tracking, stop distorting the truth and stop stating opinions to then proclaim they are facts. The reason it failed is because CCP never really made it for EVE nor did they even bother making it have a use. They simply dumped it into EVE to use it as a testbed for that new MMO. They had pretty much not bothered with EVE for quite a while at that point, putting their money, dev time and other resources into WoD. CQ didn’t fail because they tried and failed, it failed because they _didn’t_ try and didn’t care for EVE at that point because they were betting on a new horse. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 4:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/128 "2021-04-12T04:00:09Z")
two thing they need to do FAST 1) clothes need to be used like skins you apply them a list of all the clothes is available and the ones you own become marked the current system is complicated and stupid it doesn’t push the collector guy buttons 1. you can customize several character clothes and poses and save them to change latter on a simple button press imagine having 10 slots for char pics this would INSTA make the clothes market explode ---
**Author:** ![hellokittyonline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hellokittyonline/32/244672_2.png) [@hellokittyonline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/hellokittyonline)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 4:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/129 "2021-04-12T04:08:14Z")
> [@Miranda\_Farron](#): > > ’ feature was virtually never used by anyone’ line This seems pretty similar to the ‘wE cAnT bAn BoTs ToO fAsT’ line that every gaming company that actually profits heavily off of botting uses. Except the former is true. Still, it was an excuse. The real reason CCP stopped developing CQ is that they are lazy and it doesn’t make them any money so why bother. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 5:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/130 "2021-04-12T05:17:41Z")
> [@hellokittyonline](#): > > they are lazy and it doesn’t make them any money so why bother. The need to update it for 64bit client must have weighted heavily on the remove option, like they wrote, but I think it was more about the team that wasnt able to do it anymore. They were after rather big personnel lay-offs in previous years. Of course company will not really write anything like: “We failed in game business repeatedly and are in bad personnel situation, we need to trim the game to code manageable by smaller team.” Simply the chances for CCP to reintroduce something like avatar gameplay are so slim, they are nearly zeroed by all the factors. And anyone thinking about introducing something like sex to the avatar gameplay must be bonkers honestly, if serious. ---
**Author:** ![Cel\_ah\_Vee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cel_ah_vee/32/266253_2.png) [@Cel\_ah\_Vee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cel_ah_Vee)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 6:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/131 "2021-04-12T06:23:13Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > clothes need to be used like skins > you apply them > a list of all the clothes is available and the ones you own become marked > [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > imagine having 10 slots for char pics That sounds exactly like what Avakin Life has. Still, I approve. ---
**Author:** ![Cel\_ah\_Vee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cel_ah_vee/32/266253_2.png) [@Cel\_ah\_Vee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cel_ah_Vee)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 6:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/132 "2021-04-12T06:25:24Z")
> [@Cypherous](#): > > So far nobody has actually provided any evidence That’s right, you included. Except we’re right and you’re wrong and that’s just the way it is. You’re going to have to get used it. Your days of making unsubstantiated claims are over. And don’t even mention CCP or their numbers. At this point I believe Pinocchio over them. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 6:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/133 "2021-04-12T06:56:48Z")
> [@Cel\_ah\_Vee](#): > > EVE is not that kind of game. There are other games for that sort of thing. I like how your response also precisely describes the captains quarters. There are other games for 3rd person view walking your avatar around, EVE isn’t one of them. Our pilot is directly connected to the ship and in pod goo specifically to avoid this kind of 3rd person walking through the ship. Sure, CCP could reintroduce a single place where your character can stretch their legs, but this will (because of capsules) never become a main part of the game. Third person human view will never be more than a small side project in the game, yet it would require a huge amount of development time to have acceptable gameplay similar to other games that actually _are_ about 3rd person view walking your character around. That brings me back to your quote: EVE is not that kind of game. If you want to walk around in a space ship, there are many games\* that already offer this, go play one of those and let CCP spend that developmemt time at what EVE is good at: internet spaceships. \*_Warframe for example, I like that one_ ---
**Author:** ![Cel\_ah\_Vee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cel_ah_vee/32/266253_2.png) [@Cel\_ah\_Vee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cel_ah_Vee)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 6:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/134 "2021-04-12T06:59:37Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > There are other games for 3rd person view walking your avatar around, EVE isn’t one of them CCP obviously disagreed with that. **they** introduced CQ and not even under players’ request so while your retort is cute the basis for it has no foundation. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Warframe for example, I like that one Yes, Warframe is kick-arse. _There_ is an MMO whose Devs don’t take the players for vegetables and the game for a cash-cow. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/135 "2021-04-12T07:12:32Z")
> [@Cel\_ah\_Vee](#): > > CCP obviously disagreed with that. **they** introduced CQ and not even under players’ request so while your retort is cute the basis for it has no foundation. CCP introduced the QC when they were actively working on a 3rd person view RPG. That made it much easier to implement and maintain 3rd person view avatar gameplay like the QC in a game that otherwise is about spreadsheets and submarines in space. That project got scratched. And QC was rarely used and draining maintenance cost. I understand why it was introduces, but also completely understand why it was removed. > [@Cel\_ah\_Vee](#): > > Yes, Warframe is kick-arse. _There_ is an MMO whose Devs don’t take the players for vegetables and the game for a cash-cow. It definitely is a fun game! Those devs know the strengths of their game and know what to focus on (and what not). When I want to jump around slaughtering hordes of PvE enemies in a space setting, that’s a good game. But imagine if they stopped part of that development time to improve the nonexistent unbalanced PvP part of the game? That they rebalanced all of the frames, mods and weapons for a ‘more balanced PvP’? They would be crazy to do so, as almost noone in that game cares about PvP, the game isn’t built for pvp and all that development time would be wasted… Much like a CQ in EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Cel\_ah\_Vee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cel_ah_vee/32/266253_2.png) [@Cel\_ah\_Vee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cel_ah_Vee)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 7:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/136 "2021-04-12T07:40:48Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > That project got scratched. And QC was rarely used and draining maintenance cost. Yes, that is not in question. What is in question is _why_. It was “rarely used” because CCP didn’t finish it, they didn’t even implement it properly, they started it and abandoned it because it wasn’t going to make them money. _That_ is what is at issue in this thread, that’s what we’re discussing. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > I understand why it was introduces, but also completely understand why it was removed Your understanding is flawed. Read: > [@Xanthellus](#): > > Stating that a new and working version with actual gameplay would still only be used by a similar 1% is disengenuous at best and downright stupid at worst. **That** is the issue that some people can’t get through their thick head. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 8:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/137 "2021-04-12T08:34:43Z")
> [@Cel\_ah\_Vee](#): > > Your understanding is flawed. Read: > > > [@Xanthellus](#): > > > > Stating that a new and working version with actual gameplay would still only be used by a similar 1% is disengenuous at best and downright stupid at worst. > > **That** is the issue that some people can’t get through their thick head. My understanding isn’t flawed, I _do_ understand what you’re getting at and still don’t think it’s a good idea. The only way the CQ would contain ‘actual content’ that would make _me_ use it, is if CCP changed the game and locked new or old useful content behind the CQ. And apart from the bad decision to waste development time on 3rd person view mode in a game that is about something completely different, it would be an even worse decision to force people to use it by locking away necessary content behind it. For example, CCP could make the CQ and allow us to only use the agency from within the CQ. Now you will have people using the CQ! And angry people too, who need to dock up and load a useless CQ just to access that part of the game. And if you don’t lock useful things behind CQ, you get in the same old situation that nobody is going to load that room to play internet spaceships, because they don’t have to. ---
**Author:** ![Cel\_ah\_Vee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cel_ah_vee/32/266253_2.png) [@Cel\_ah\_Vee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cel_ah_Vee)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 8:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/138 "2021-04-12T08:45:24Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > My understanding isn’t flawed, I _do_ understand what you’re getting at and still don’t think it’s a good idea Many other players do think it’s a good idea. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > The only way the CQ would contain ‘actual content’ that would make _me_ use it, is if CCP changed the game and locked new or old useful content behind the CQ “Locking” content behind anything is a bad idea. Players just want to get _out_ of their pod once in a while and walk around. If they have a reason beyond just wanting it it’s even better and CCP could give them that reason by allowing them to access different station features in CQ. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > it would be an even worse decision to force people to use it by locking away necessary content behind it No one is talking about forcing anyone to do anything. CQ could be just another feature and obviously CCP agrees otherwise they wouldn’t have started to include it in the first place. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > And if you don’t lock useful things behind CQ, you get in the same old situation that nobody is going to load that room to play internet spaceships, because they don’t have to. It’s been successfully argued in this thread that players do lots of things they don’t have to do already so that argument is moot. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 8:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/139 "2021-04-12T08:47:04Z")
> [@Cel\_ah\_Vee](#): > > No one is talking about forcing anyone to do anything. CQ could be just another feature and obviously CCP agrees otherwise they wouldn’t have started to include it in the first place. If you’re not forcing me to use the CQ to access gameplay, I probably won’t use it and with me many others (see why the CQ was removed), making it wasted development and maintenance to reintroduce it. So yes, you implicitly are talking about forcing me to use the CQ ‘with new content’, otherwise your argument that people ‘would use it if it had content’ would not make sense. ---
**Author:** ![Cel\_ah\_Vee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cel_ah_vee/32/266253_2.png) [@Cel\_ah\_Vee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cel_ah_Vee)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 8:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705/140 "2021-04-12T08:51:18Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > If you’re not forcing me to use the CQ to access gameplay, I probably won’t use it You are just one person, this thread is chock-full of players just begging CCP to reintroduce it, finish it and make it good. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > with me many others Not according to this thread. According to this thread, many others would welcome a return of CQ. Read the thread and count the _hearts_ in favor of it. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > So yes, you implicitly are talking about forcing me to use the CQ Get over yourself, you are but one EVE player. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-return-to-the-captains-lounge-or-what-ever-it-was-called/294705.md?page=8)