# A significant update to Industry **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [March 26, 2021, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303 "2021-03-26T15:00:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Oscar\_Class](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oscar_class/32/379343_2.png) [@Oscar\_Class](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oscar_Class)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2021, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/704 "2021-05-02T17:51:59Z")
cherry picking? okey. A rattlesnake. Before Patch i was selling these ships from 800m around at secondary markets… now built from base… All reactions will do by builder. Atm shopping list cost is 1.7 billion isk. plus Blueprint… so plz continue defend CCP… ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2021, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/705 "2021-05-02T17:55:46Z")
> [@Oscar\_Class](#): > > so plz continue defend CCP… THAT is exactly cherry picking : saying a specific example is generality. So yes, you are cherry picking : saying that the price at the present moment, when prices are changing a lot, is meaningful Truth is : it’s not. ---
**Author:** ![Oscar\_Class](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oscar_class/32/379343_2.png) [@Oscar\_Class](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oscar_Class)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2021, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/706 "2021-05-02T18:14:24Z")
I dont understand where is cherry picking? i have BPs i have reaction formulas. i will build from 0. My all prices are Jita actual prices. So CCP add to many exotic ingredients to blueprints. What you wait? ofc prices will increase. but CCP add too much of them. If you try to build them you can understand. But you want ignore truth. At market prices are always came from supply and demand balance. CCP destroy balance. And it will never go back. Also Many producers like me stoped production. Also stop sales to we wait final prices. But even blind person see prices will really much expensive than older prices. Whats problem? CCP behave us like morons. They saying we want add more fun to Indy players. Truth is diffirent. They dont even care Indy players. They only care player have to sell plex for buy faction ships. They nerfing player incomes. but not buff risk versus gain elements. So all production will be slower. less market activity. less pvp. less play… ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2021, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/707 "2021-05-02T18:22:55Z")
> [@Oscar\_Class](#): > > I dont understand where is cherry picking? Because you claim that TODAY prices are the general prices. Because you don’t want to wait to see the **real** effect on prices. > [@Oscar\_Class](#): > > So CCP add to many exotic ingredients to blueprints. According to what ? You ? Nobody cares. You have to provide a good explanation of what is “too many”. > [@Oscar\_Class](#): > > ofc prices will increase. Not necessarily. Actually they will decrease. > [@Oscar\_Class](#): > > CCP destroy balance. Balance destroys itself every time . Every day there is a good thing to sell on the market. Now it’s up to you to take that offer and make money, or cry like a mongoid on the forum. Seems like you made your choice … > [@Oscar\_Class](#): > > They nerfing player incomes. They are not. Well they did it before, a lot, but not now. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2021, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/708 "2021-05-02T18:42:36Z")
[https://ravworks.com/tree\_view/11567/0](https://ravworks.com/tree_view/11567/0) This new industry is amazing. So much better, easier, better comprehensible and more straightforward. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2021, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/709 "2021-05-02T18:58:35Z")
An Omen goes from ![grafik](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/9/1/391b67ab105be463eca117ba0762c9372b804354.png) to this for an Omen Navy Issue even though they are both T1 ships: ![grafik](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/b/b/dbb9fd04b46fb6531f9101756823fd29b141a7d3.png) ---
**Author:** ![Ranar\_Linyne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ranar_linyne/32/378478_2.png) [@Ranar\_Linyne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ranar_Linyne)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2021, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/710 "2021-05-02T21:26:38Z")
This is the visualization people need to see. Further realize there is time at every step of this. This is a bullshìt change. ---
**Author:** ![ZhaoMin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhaomin/32/350517_2.png) [@ZhaoMin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ZhaoMin)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2021, 10:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/711 "2021-05-02T22:33:44Z")
Not to mention that the Omen built years ago still have the same survivability and performance as one those new exciting ones they built TODAY right now. Maybe CCP should just melt everyone’s assets for “realism”. WTH? no maintenance cost?? Zip, Nil, Nada~~ ---
**Author:** ![Hidden\_Markov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hidden_markov/32/260260_2.png) [@Hidden\_Markov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hidden_Markov)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2021, 11:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/712 "2021-05-02T23:01:21Z")
I lurk there. Its not this magical place where CCP devs are looked on favorably in most threads. They’d have to show this I like CCP blah and this idea thread. Only change in recent times actually liked there was the option to turn off the annoying to some red dot on new items. I’ll give them that one. Reddit actually liked that change. This indy change…if they saw a ilike it thread it was either a trolling run they missed…or one of the top 1% eve financially who bought up a few hundred BS and liking the easy flipping. If I was in that spot too…yeah I’d like this. Log in, if really lazy and say cool lots of profit here and sell 100 ships to reasonable buy orders. If wanting the extra isk put out sell orders. Isk for ships you spent 2 minutes buying then 2 minutes selling? What’s not to like. Don’t even have to haul the damn things. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2021, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/713 "2021-05-02T23:07:57Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > to this for an Omen Navy Issue even though they are both T1 ships: No, they are not. Faction ships are not T1, they are faction. And now their build complexity actually reflects the power faction adds, given faction is ABOVE T2. Changes to cost are a different matter of course, and may/may not be desirable ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2021, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/714 "2021-05-02T23:11:15Z")
I mean, tbh, it wasnt hard to buy up lots of stuff when it was dirt cheap in the last couple years, sell bits of it and have enough to live on very comfortably until the market gets bloated again and it cycles. But eh, maybe luck exists after all. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2021, 11:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/715 "2021-05-02T23:44:07Z")
I dumped all my bulk stuff way back when at fair market value, so I don’t feel bad. With the prospect of not having a stable home, I didn’t want to take a chance on CCP’s idea of the future… ---
**Author:** ![Ranar\_Linyne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ranar_linyne/32/378478_2.png) [@Ranar\_Linyne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ranar_Linyne)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2021, 11:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/716 "2021-05-02T23:51:36Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > faction is ABOVE T2 Faction, navy and pirate, are actually considered t1.5. Just an fyi. ---
**Author:** ![Hidden\_Markov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hidden_markov/32/260260_2.png) [@Hidden\_Markov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hidden_Markov)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2021, 12:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/717 "2021-05-03T00:05:10Z")
What I have been doing. Getting my chars down to “their” ships. And their mods. Ship X doesn’t have 20 shield mods anymore. It has 4. 1 each resistance. Slowly getting to that point. The hauler has her crane. End list. The soon to be Kronos slave will have kronos, a navy comet in the BS hanger and an endurance. End list. The minmatar lp earner/explorer a wolf and loki and will train into prowler. End list On down the line. Part of it this (some overstock has made me some nice isk, only makes me wish I had more isk prior to ride this bubble better). Part of it who knows what system(s) get trigged next. Lots of overstock going to jita. Sell or hold for better pricing. JIta gets trig’d…we can call this game pretty much done and they are scorched earthing the place. Basically going back to prior 0.0 days. after a few evacs I realized the more you have…the more you got to evac. In time I settled on a few ships/mods and just buy crap as needed in new homes. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2021, 12:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/718 "2021-05-03T00:14:01Z")
I both got out and then lucked out as to where the rest of my stuff was. I’m still hedging my future in the game but I have to admit, I think I need to a hit of 4way windowpane again to try to figure out what CCP has in store for the future. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2021, 6:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/719 "2021-05-03T06:06:29Z")
> [@Ranar\_Linyne](#): > > Faction, navy and pirate, are actually considered t1.5. Just an fyi. They all are T1. T2 is just what is build from T1 with morphite. Note that polarized guns… I think they are T2. ---
**Author:** ![Ranar\_Linyne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ranar_linyne/32/378478_2.png) [@Ranar\_Linyne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ranar_Linyne)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2021, 7:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/720 "2021-05-03T07:07:47Z")
Polarized are t2, and you’re right faction/pirate are actually classified as t1. There is an old chart somewhere that shows the different tech levels and faction/pirate are marked t1.5 to designate that they fall between pure t1 and t2. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2021, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/722 "2021-05-03T08:35:57Z")
Even assuming the new parts’ price is inflated by 10x, the build cost will be above the current price. But honestly 500M for a Battleship sounds reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2021, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/723 "2021-05-03T09:52:00Z")
Thank you for your kind words. Now, as for the future. How about you and me working together ? You scan the cargo for any materials we need, and I shoot them. You grab the loot and we start building again. I’m all for fantasy 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Aleria\_Angelis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aleria_angelis/32/270726_2.png) [@Aleria\_Angelis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aleria_Angelis)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2021, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/724 "2021-05-03T10:13:05Z")
CCP please do not force people to use PI anymore than they have to, it’s the most boring mini game in eve. If your planning on making PI mainstream it needs to be expanded with alot more depth, Tyranis expansion did not live up to expectations and there was so much potential with PI which has never been realised. Dont force people to have to use the least interesting and fun aspect if gameplay, PI is boring. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303.md?page=34) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303.md?page=36)