# A significant update to Industry **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [March 26, 2021, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303 "2021-03-26T15:00:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 43
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2021, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/871 "2021-05-07T20:18:15Z")
Hang on… > [@ntopios](#): > > Everybody who plays this game for a long time knows what pandemic legion stands for,( let me remind you) Let me remind _you_: Jump fatigue went in because Pandemic Legion liked to dunk on literally everyone, all over the place, by dropping supercapitals on any fights, even between small groups. > [@ntopios](#): > > Always fighting the big guys and protecting the small alliances . Let’s set aside Pandemic Horde… they’re allied with NCdot, the guys who run rental programs all across the north so they can profit off other peoples’ work. Is that what ‘good guys’ do? Leech off of other peoples’ work? They’re allied with Fraternity, the group that quite a lot of people look to believe are the largest group of bots in EVE. Does that sound like ‘the good guys’? Both of those groups _and_ Horde _and_ TEST and Brave are ‘big guys’. So exactly who are PL supposed to have been protecting ‘the small alliances’ from? Goons, the group that’s attacked only PanFam + pets for over half a decade? We don’t attack small alliances. Why would we? We want to fight the big groups. But PL sure as hell has. PL went after Provi, openly 2 years ago, and through their alt-alliances last year. > [@ntopios](#): > > They are the people that created pandemic horde the heaven of new players, after the fail of brave alliance. You mean after Pandemic Legion _farmed_ Brave out of Catch in 2014, then farmed them _again_ when they re-settled in the east, then tried farming them **again** three years ago when PanFam attacked Legacy space and _we_ defended them? Also, for the record, Brave hasn’t fallen. They’re the second most powerful alliance in the Legacy coalition, and a major player in nullsec. But, you know, you’re doing really well here, showing off how you’re either uninformed, or a PL-stooge. ---
**Author:** ![ntopios](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ntopios/32/253890_2.png) [@ntopios](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ntopios)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2021, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/872 "2021-05-07T20:23:00Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > ean after Pandemic Legion _farmed_ Brave omg can we stop the propaganda now . U are targeting a specific group with no proof.When ccp helped pandemic legion or anyone else?At least u didn’t mentioned hardknox are alts of pl cause that one is high on the false propaganda too . ---
**Author:** ![RA\_Montgomery](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ra_montgomery/32/271533_2.png) [@RA\_Montgomery](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RA_Montgomery)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2021, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/873 "2021-05-07T20:23:17Z")
> [@ntopios](#): > > do you really believe Mr keneth would do such a thing ,that would be a violation of eula . He wouldn’t be the first CSM to do that. > [@ntopios](#): > > And if he was such a mean person would he be invited to talk in a well know twitch show? TiS invites everyone on and never gives them any real hardball questions. It’s a platform for the hosts to feel space-important. > [@ntopios](#): > > Next thing we are going to hear from you is that ccp hire elise randalf because he was in pandemic legion too . Elise is a righteous dude who’s been an ambassador of the game for years. Don’t go insulting him like that, plebe. > [@ntopios](#): > > CCP is not supporting pandemic legion or bob or any other entity never did and never will . Gotta love that [T20 scandal](https://evelexicon.com/define.php?id=302) proving you wrong! ---
**Author:** ![ntopios](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ntopios/32/253890_2.png) [@ntopios](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ntopios)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2021, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/874 "2021-05-07T20:40:03Z")
There was a statement from ccp on that topic .Nobody in the company knew about the action of that particular individual .And action was taken when people report that incident .CCP did everything by the book on that one but yeah the conspiracy guy will always remember that one . But after that incident ccp has taken every precaution so that wont happen again . U have no proof so stop attacking a person that is not around to defend himself ,but as i said earlier ,everybody know Mr Keneth integrity . So just go outside with your big sine ( the end is near) and loose some of that extra energy u got ---
**Author:** ![RA\_Montgomery](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ra_montgomery/32/271533_2.png) [@RA\_Montgomery](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RA_Montgomery)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2021, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/875 "2021-05-07T20:42:53Z")
lol. Gotta love when the stupid burns so bad it flames itself. ‘CCP would never… oh, sure, ok, they did once for THESE EXACT GUYS, but…’ Get rekt, nerd. ---
**Author:** ![Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiger_space_thedark/32/373728_2.png) [@Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiger_space_Thedark)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2021, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/876 "2021-05-07T21:08:54Z")
Can we keep thing polite instead of be a bunch of idiots pointing finger at each other ? ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried\_Tahl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siegfried_tahl/32/377209_2.png) [@Siegfried\_Tahl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siegfried_Tahl)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2021, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/877 "2021-05-07T23:43:26Z")
Can you people not see ntopios’s sarcasm? @ntopios man, you’re good. They all totally buy it. ---
**Author:** ![Oskar\_Milde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oskar_milde/32/396309_2.png) [@Oskar\_Milde](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oskar_Milde)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 9:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/878 "2021-05-08T09:25:49Z")
Hold up. What are COSMOS gasses, and which regions are they in? I mean, I do enjoy a good conspiracy but this one is floating right over my head at the moment… ---
**Author:** ![ntopios](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ntopios/32/253890_2.png) [@ntopios](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ntopios)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/879 "2021-05-08T11:57:26Z")
Yeap you found the conspiracy, everything makes sense now. CCP is issuing the apology memo devs are fired Mr keneth accounts are banned pandemic legion is disbanded scarcity ends and industry patches are reverted. Floks of people are gathering to read your post-discovery right now ,there will be a monument after you for sure. So now open your eve launcher log in enjoy the new healthy eco system (scarcity-industry) buy your new bs for 1 bil ,and subscribe your account at the end of the month .But the important thing is the [quote=“RA\_Montgomery, post:875, topic:302303”] Get rekt, nerd. [/quote] You did man congrats ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/880 "2021-05-08T12:01:54Z")
Blue lettering on orange background. Could you have made it any more difficult to read. And WHY publish “A Significant Update” in a fuking spreadsheet. CCP seem to get lazier every year. ---
**Author:** ![RA\_Montgomery](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ra_montgomery/32/271533_2.png) [@RA\_Montgomery](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RA_Montgomery)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/881 "2021-05-08T13:27:09Z")
> [@Oskar\_Milde](#): > > Hold up. What are COSMOS gasses, and which regions are they in? The Cytoserocin gasses found in the COSMOS mission constellations. For example: Viridian Cytoserocin in Cloud Ring and Celadon Cytoserocin in Fountain. ---
**Author:** ![ntopios](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ntopios/32/253890_2.png) [@ntopios](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ntopios)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/882 "2021-05-08T17:21:51Z")
If someone thinks that he is left behind after the industry changes, there is no need for despair.There is an awesome deal in eve store # Foreman Pack This pack offers amazing value for players looking to take their industry to the next level. €139.99 Buy the # Foreman Pack and take your industry to the next level .Thx CCP thumps up once again 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/883 "2021-05-08T17:25:39Z")
{citation needed} > **[Foreman Pack](https://secure.eveonline.com/packs/details/?pack=foreman-pack)** > > Get great value Packs for EVE Online, featuring PLEX, Omega, SKINs, Extractors & more. Set course for greatness with the Meteor, Star and Galaxy Packs! ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/884 "2021-05-08T17:45:28Z")
can’t edit -.- contains - 3 month omega( 1500 plex) - 1500 plex - 3 month MCS (1500 plex) - 250k SP - expert cerebral accelerator (12.5 days, +8 atts =\> 432k SP) - useless skin and clothing =\> total for 140gold - 4500 plex - 682k SP if you take the lower 100gold plex package, it’s 2860 so for 140 gold you get 4000 plex. So in effect it’s +12.5% plex, +682k SP gain. if you take the upper 250 gold plex package, it’s 7430 so for 140 gold you get 4160 plex. So in effect it’s +8% plex, +682k SP gain Still worth it. ---
**Author:** ![Ranar\_Linyne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ranar_linyne/32/378478_2.png) [@Ranar\_Linyne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ranar_Linyne)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/885 "2021-05-08T17:57:27Z")
Sp from thin air for cash? Aids. ---
**Author:** ![ZhaoMin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhaomin/32/350517_2.png) [@ZhaoMin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ZhaoMin)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 2:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/886 "2021-05-09T02:01:43Z")
> [@ntopios](#): > > If someone thinks that he is _ **left behind** _ after the industry changes, there is no need for despair.There is an _ **awesome deal in eve store** _ > > Buy the # Foreman Pack and take your industry _ **to the next level** _ .Thx CCP thumps up once again 🙂 Look, your fervent support for P2Win doesn’t really help with arguments here. The bold italic bits in your short statement simply sums up what the change is all about. 1. You are encouraged to buy more officially endorsed RMT to **not feel left behind** 2. CCP introduced barriers to previously doable in game activities now dictated by more powerful player entities. Sure there are opportunities to be had, but in a general context, players cannot achieve the same result they used to without heavy economic influence by those (much) bigger entities. If CCP did anything about this industry change, it is to not to streamline production, but to streamline the ISK flow in game in a controlled manner they think will benefit and appease to whoever they like to appease, and it’s anyone but the small or new players. If you just read what their arguments in the Foundation Quadrant devblog forum discussion between @Brisc_Rubal and some members of the community, and pay attention to how Eve is introduced to their (potential) “new Eve Players”, it essentially lays out how CCP thinks the whole Eve ecosystem should work. New Players buys PLEX to sponsor the few men behind the big entities, who happens to control essential production chain for popular commodities that are used to do some basic in-game isk generating activities, it in all sense have a long connection to more centralized economy that is **dictated** by those very few percentage of “ **Top Players** ” and of course, ultimately how much those PLEX are worth. ---
**Author:** ![ntopios](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ntopios/32/253890_2.png) [@ntopios](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ntopios)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/887 "2021-05-09T15:19:42Z")
first i didn’t make that up , open the eve store and its there . This is a discussion about the industry changes .This deal should be on top with the patch information ,but you know how devs are these days ,they have become rather shy… well i am not. > [@ZhaoMin](#): > > If CCP did anything about this industry change, it is to not to streamline production, but to streamline the ISK flow in game in a controlled manner they think will benefit and appease to whoever they like to appease, and it’s anyone but the small or new players. I can t be in ccp head i don’t work for them, and i have a different mind set i can only express my opinion based on the things i see when i log in and play the game. Scarcity and the industry patch is sustaining goons-the war .Imagine all eve in delve and people could make decent amount of money .Their losses would not have any impact delve is camped like hell there is 0 chance of making isk there . But now you can make more isk in hs than nul space .Nobody from the 00 people are making isk right now ,rating for 20 mil tickets while your minimum cta ship is like 100 mil is ridiculous,(rat for 100min and die in a sabre in the first minute) .So either u have brain damage or u are a boat and dont value your time.About the industry everybody was mining in hs so smart move from ccp to put in more staff for production.Best thing for ccp was this war and now ccp is cashing out . > [@ZhaoMin](#): > > If you just read what their arguments in the Foundation Quadrant devblog forum discussion between @Brisc_Rubal and some members of the community, and pay attention to how Eve is introduced to their (potential) “new Eve Players”, it essentially lays out how CCP thinks the whole Eve ecosystem should work everyone sees the world throw his perspective i do not need to listen to brisc to have an opinion.If i listen to materall and co i would be happy from the big shark of market industry perspective .Everyone opionion is based on how he plays the game .I see a lot of people leaving eve ,whatever ccp says i see what i see.When the war ends eve is doomed no matter the outcome i am on goon propaganda on that everybody is blue , and ofc overblobing .But this is the era that progod legend is friendly with pl omg i never expected to see that ,and progod legend was a rly cool person . Whatever everyone writes in here ccp doesn’t care .It is pretty funny to read people opinion and putting nice words together and all for ccp to relize they are hurting their game blablabla.And then there is the adverb Buy the # Foreman Pack and take your industry _ **to the next level** _ wouao yeah so if somebody buys that pack he will take his industry to the next lvl lol truly catchy that one .CCP have changed so much that this wont end like their previews huge ■■■■■■ up patches that dropped the player base to 30 k .So the people that are saying how many opportunities there are and are selling the bhaalgorns they build because they made an investments pre patch ,take a picture of your trilion wallets so u can have something to remember when the curtains will close … ---
**Author:** ![Adunh\_Slavy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adunh_slavy/32/265310_2.png) [@Adunh\_Slavy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adunh_Slavy)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/888 "2021-05-09T21:58:29Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > … plex package … Industry changes ---
**Author:** ![R-0-B-0-C-O-P](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/r-0-b-0-c-o-p/32/474175_2.png) [@R-0-B-0-C-O-P](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/R-0-B-0-C-O-P)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/889 "2021-05-09T22:09:17Z")
> [@Tursiops\_Truncatus](#): > > EVE was my retirement plan until the DEVS and CSM destroyed the game. Lol what? ---
**Author:** ![Annir\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annir_janau/32/254289_2.png) [@Annir\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annir_Janau)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2021, 2:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-significant-update-to-industry/302303/890 "2021-05-10T02:38:17Z")
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