# A Small Action to Change a Lot **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [May 17, 2018, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869 "2018-05-17T15:18:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 9:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/81 "2018-05-18T09:30:13Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > No. It would dumb down the freight business into a pure pinatas shipping endeavor. Smart players will avoid such cans, stay open to scanners and load up responsibly, while your supposedly counter player gets ganked for the simple fact of using these cans in the first place. It only seems smart, like wearing underpants on the head to look funny, but you’re really just a guy with underpants on your head who tries to look funny. Gankers will always have weapons to shoot you. That’s what you have to deal with. They will use them no matter what and they will shoot at you just for the chance of loot, because that’s what they already do when loot drops - it’s a chance roll. Are you telling me how to play my game? If I am prepared to fund 20 insured freighters using these cans going through the choke points and all of them insured and empty for the joy of wetting myself with laughter each time they get ganked and they wasted all those ships on them. You do not get Eve… ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 9:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/82 "2018-05-18T09:36:54Z")
Make scanning cargo/fit a suspect offense in HS. Make Data/Relic cans un-scannable. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 9:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/83 "2018-05-18T09:37:16Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > If I am prepared to fund 20 insured freighters using these cans going through the choke points and all of them insured and empty for the joy of wetting myself with laughter each time they get ganked and they wasted all those ships on them. Nonsense. You already have ways to avoid being ganked and which don’t cost you 20 freighters. Gankers would only remember your name and simply prey on somebody else, because they’re after the inexperienced players. They already let those pass who play smart. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 9:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/84 "2018-05-18T09:38:28Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Gankers would only remember your name and simply prey on somebody else, because they’re after the inexperienced players. Well that is called conditioning isn’t it? There is a value in it. You see I have often done this sort of thing to get kills. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/85 "2018-05-18T09:42:18Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Well that is called conditioning isn’t it? > > You see I have often done this sort of thing to get kills. Oh please. Just tell me again how I don’t get EVE. That at least was mildly insulting. Now you’re only asking me to rub your tummy and I’m not going to touch that. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 9:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/86 "2018-05-18T09:46:44Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Oh please. Just tell me again how I don’t get EVE. That at least was mildly insulting. Now you’re only asking me to rub your tummy and I’m not going to touch that. I am asking you to rub your own tummy. And it was a valid question, asking if you get Eve or not. Now this question where you sort of got to the whole point and then ran away screaming with that lame retort. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Well that is called conditioning isn’t it? There is a value in it. You see conditioning people is all part of this game. And you sort of got there with your reply, then realized why I said it. As I said it is an excellent idea and sets up counter play. So if you do not have an intelligent answer, you should keep it buttoned. PS You look very good with the pants on your head. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/87 "2018-05-18T09:52:29Z")
Please stop with the ad-hominem and off-topic. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/88 "2018-05-18T09:53:32Z")
Remember Salvos, I only reply in kind. Rather than continue it was this line: > [@Whitehound](#): > > It only seems smart, like wearing underpants on the head to look funny, but you’re really just a guy with underpants on your head who tries to look funny. Because he could not understand the play that could go on around it he resorted to an insult. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/89 "2018-05-18T09:55:57Z")
I meant both of you. Its leading nowhere and very tedious reading. Nobody cares who started it, just that it ends. Points go to the one of you that next posts ontopic. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/90 "2018-05-18T09:57:44Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I am asking you to rub your own tummy. … That I can do, but I’m not touching anything else. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 9:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/91 "2018-05-18T09:59:14Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I meant both of you. > > Its leading nowhere and very tedious reading. > > Nobody cares who started it, just that it ends. > > Points go to the one of you that next posts ontopic. This > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Make scanning cargo/fit a suspect offense in HS. I think it is a bit of a step too far imo. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/92 "2018-05-18T10:02:08Z")
Maybe make it chance based? Each cargo scan you have an ‘X’ % chance of becoming suspect. Well just a random idea but thought I drop it in for discussion. I just feel a guaranteed suspect flag for each scan is too much even if it is obvious scanner alts will just use corvettes only fitted with a cargo scanner or some such measure to reduce risk / losses. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/93 "2018-05-18T10:07:22Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I meant both of you. > > Its leading nowhere and very tedious reading. > > Nobody cares who started it, just that it ends. > > Points go to the one of you that next posts ontopic. Nobody cares for your bleeding heart. Drac and I have a good conversation. If you insist on impersonating a mod then I suggest you apply for the role of an ISD and stop posting off-topic yourself. Use the flagging system. I have now flagged you. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/94 "2018-05-18T10:15:11Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Because he could not understand the play that could go on around it he resorted to an insult. It’s an analogy, mate. It only seems smart, **like** wearing underpants on the head to look funny, **but** you’re really just a guy with underpants on your head who tries to look funny. I was talking about myself. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/95 "2018-05-18T10:18:49Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > Maybe make it chance based? Each cargo scan you have an ‘X’ % chance of becoming suspect. RNG is usually a bad idea. > [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > scanner alts will just use corvettes only fitted with a cargo scanner or some such measure to reduce risk / losses. Thats fine. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/96 "2018-05-18T10:20:03Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Nobody cares for your bleeding heart. Drac and I have a good conversation. If you insist on impersonating a mod then I suggest you apply for the role of an ISD and stop posting off-topic yourself. Use the flagging system. I have now flagged you. > [@Whitehound](#): > > It’s an analogy, mate. > > It only seems smart, like wearing underpants on the head to look funny, but you’re really just a guy with underpants on your head who tries to look funny. > > I was talking about myself. Please stop this crap. Nobody wants to read this. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 10:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/97 "2018-05-18T10:22:34Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Nobody wants to read this. I want to read it and I want Drac to read it so he doesn’t feel insulted. You are over-stepping it now. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/98 "2018-05-18T10:23:10Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > It’s an analogy, mate. > > It only seems smart, like wearing underpants on the head to look funny, but you’re really just a guy with underpants on your head who tries to look funny. > > I was talking about myself. In which case it went way over my head ☹ I have seen you post in a couple of other threads, I think I liked a couple of your posts, you post intelligently and put thought into them, so I was kinda surprised by that. I like the idea of the cans very much it seems to work well with BR’s, but I would not make a cargo scanner or ship scanner go suspect. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/99 "2018-05-18T10:24:33Z")
I wish this forum had private messaging enabled. CCP I’m looking at you! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/100 "2018-05-18T10:28:20Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > Maybe make it chance based? Each cargo scan you have an ‘X’ % chance of becoming suspect. > > Well just a random idea but thought I drop it in for discussion. So far I have not seen a valid reason why this scanner should be changed at all. They have various uses, piracy is the just the obvious one but also a very valid one. It’s not like this will stop Freighters from getting exploded. The only thing that will change is that it mixes the smart people who don’t overload their Freighter in with the guy who just stuffs 20bil into one run. Obviously the only motivation Drac has to play the cheerleader for this change is because of his white knight desire to ■■■■ on the pirates via fiat-CCP because he can’t do anything about it in-game. He thinks this will lower the income because they can’t pick the valuable targets which will probably be right. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869.md?page=6)