# A Small Action to Change a Lot **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [May 17, 2018, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869 "2018-05-17T15:18:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Rexxar\_Santaro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rexxar_santaro/32/420075_2.png) [@Rexxar\_Santaro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rexxar_Santaro)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/141 "2018-05-18T12:39:22Z")
It’s important to notice, that not all explorers leaves unfinished sites behind. Everybody knows how a Data/Relic explorer runs. He built a path over systems, constellations, even entire Region. Sometime, no matter it’s Low-Sec or Null-Sec areas, there are fresh sites or there aren’t one. Sometime, I’m scanning unfinished sites from system to system. After a third system, it’s obvious for me, that entire Constellations in this Region will contain a **train** of unfinished sites. So, there are two options: to do something else until downtime, or to scan all those signatures and close all those sites afterwards. The same is in WH, after scanning over 10 Signatures, - open wormholes can lead to another similar WH with unfinished Signatures. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/142 "2018-05-18T12:39:59Z")
Just a random fact: Drifters are also scanning ships… for signs of death (corpses 💀 ) 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/143 "2018-05-18T12:45:05Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > The ‘Cherry Picking’ aspect of using a Cargo Scan mod to only open 1 can and then leave that site active without completing it also hurts those who do it. Those leftover sites stop new sites from spawning which removes the chance of getting more good loot. > > That is why cans at Hacking sites should be immune to scanning. Agreed. But as I stated before, there are real reasons to cherry-pick with a cargo scanner. 1. I dont waste time (and exposure) on ■■■■ cans. 2. I complicate the job of explorer hunters. 3. I slow down competing explorers. I’m hands down ready to accept data/relic can being unscannable. I feel dirty doing it, I harm myself and others, but I do it because I can. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > As for cans in Transport ships, Secure Containers should definitely be immune to Cargo Scans. This is an interesting issue, since someone that picks up a courier contract, cant check the contents of their own cargo, by themself. They have no idea what they are transporting, unless they use another ship to scan the cargo once its onboard and in space. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Personally I think all Containers should be immune to Cargo Scans. I disagree. Space born/anchored containers in HS should incur a suspect timer after scanning, if placed by a player. > [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](#): > > If a normie can scan, why not a capsuleer? NPCs arent normies. They are specific NPC entities dedicated to a specific task. They scan, specifically to detect contraband, but are a systemic mechanic, not a player entity. They are there to provide a limit on contraband transport by players, especially for drugs. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/144 "2018-05-18T12:46:31Z")
> [@Rexxar\_Santaro](#): > > It’s important to notice, that not all explorers leaves unfinished sites behind. I specifically addressed that. Fact is though, that if 100 or 1000 thousand players cherry-pick Data/Relic sites via can scanning, that has a severe effect on the respawn rate of the sites, as they stay there till downtime. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Fractal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_fractal/32/260812_2.png) [@ISD\_Fractal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Fractal)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/145 "2018-05-18T12:51:48Z")
Thread moved. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/146 "2018-05-18T13:04:53Z")
Thanks! : - ) ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/147 "2018-05-18T13:32:43Z")
From what I remember Hacking sites will stay active for 3 to 4 days. However I keep seeing people posting that Hacking sites with only 1 can hacked will de-spawn at downtime. Is that an Official CCP fact? If so I’d like to see a link to it. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/148 "2018-05-18T13:35:47Z")
Afaik, a Data/Relic site with atleast one hacked can (whether successful or exploded) will cause the site to persist till downtime, and then be respawned elsewhere. Ie: - Virgin sites will persist indefinitely. - Partially completed sites will persist till downtime. - Fully completed site will immediately respawn elsewhere. The same model applies to DED sites. Escalations/Expeditions will persist after downtime, to the last pocket that was completed, provided their timer for completion has not expired by then. ---
**Author:** ![Rexxar\_Santaro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rexxar_santaro/32/420075_2.png) [@Rexxar\_Santaro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rexxar_Santaro)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/149 "2018-05-18T13:46:10Z")
Yeah, your main zombie roles will be cool and entertaining, with so much anger and impulses to hunt people down for their brains. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/150 "2018-05-18T13:47:54Z")
If only it was true, and not the other way round though. You see things that are not there, and probably should look for them in yourself. But … whatever … this goes nowhere anyway, and everyone knows it. vOv Is there anything else you would like to get out of your system, to make yourself feel better? : - ) ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/151 "2018-05-18T13:54:29Z")
Will you people please stop with the ad-hominem and derailment? ---
**Author:** ![Rexxar\_Santaro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rexxar_santaro/32/420075_2.png) [@Rexxar\_Santaro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rexxar_Santaro)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/152 "2018-05-18T14:07:34Z")
I was and I’m quite constructive on my arguments. Sometime it’s ok to respond to absolute ‘blind’ insulting counterarguments vs thread creator and almost all who posts to the thread. Aka, if you like sugar, then I like salt; if you like salt, then I like sugar and so on… 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/153 "2018-05-18T14:09:59Z")
It was my understanding that most Signatures had a lifespan of 5 days. If the Signature was warped to or interacted with in any way without being completed, the lifespan was 3 days. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/154 "2018-05-18T18:11:30Z")
Funny thing is all you ever do is stir up crap in every single thread you post in. ---
**Author:** ![Rexxar\_Santaro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rexxar_santaro/32/420075_2.png) [@Rexxar\_Santaro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rexxar_Santaro)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/155 "2018-05-18T19:29:24Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > It was my understanding that most Signatures had a lifespan of 5 days. > > If the Signature was warped to or interacted with in any way without being completed, the lifespan was 3 days. IDK exactly. The Signatures stay in space for a long time. The downtime mystery is unknown. I can confirm that downtime can bug an unfinished mission. There were made many unnoticed changes to the game, like: loot drop chance, loot distribution, burner NPC are more stronger than few years ago, changes to Sleepers Sites were implemented and WH’s rats. All these actions are marked in a patch notes as : “Improvements to the PVE mechanics and UI”. Actually, many aspects aren’t working as they were described in old guides… ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/156 "2018-05-18T19:38:13Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > all you ever do is stir up crap in every single thread you post in. > **[@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)** You are a liar. I can call you a liar, because what you wrote **is** a lie and there is my posting history to prove it. You are on good terms with someone new, until you see that this someone - despite actually being a nice person - has interests that differ from your PvE oriented, overly protective “THINK OF THE NEWBEES”/victimesque centric viewpoint. From this point on you go into opposition, as if someone flipped a switch. That is my experience with you, despite me being normally friendly with you … and because I feel it is necessary to add, so you actually “get” it: No … not this character. But hey … sure … whatever impotent hate you say, man. It does not matter in the slightest. You are right. vOv ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/157 "2018-05-18T19:51:04Z")
What a liar you are. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/158 "2018-05-18T19:59:02Z")
Sure. Just repeat what I said and throw it back at me. I believe that you already have been covered significantly, both by me and several others, so … … sure, man … whatever your impotent hate makes you say. You are right. vOv Feel free to go on and have a nice day. : - ) PS: I am not like you, so assuming that my above post is a lie just - furthermore - adds to the list of things we get to learn about you. vOv But now really … have a nice day … i hope it’s sunny. : ) ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/159 "2018-05-18T20:04:56Z")
You have issues, because you lie to yourself as well as to others. > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > You are a liar. I can call you a liar, because what you wrote is a lie and there is my posting history to prove it. But that is only a recent character you use now, it is pretty easy to find your past history of posting, if one can be bothered to look of course. Sad… ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2018, 8:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869/160 "2018-05-18T20:13:02Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > If only it was true, and not the other way round though. You see things that are not there, and probably should look for them in yourself. Gotta say that’s very insightful, you should definitely practice what you preach. Anyway, done dealing with antagonistic people, you have a nice day too. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-small-action-to-change-a-lot/76869.md?page=9)