# A solution to the Maleatu Shakor problem (and other leadership woes) **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [October 17, 2019, 5:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-solution-to-the-maleatu-shakor-problem-and-other-leadership-woes/196049 "2019-10-17T05:28:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-solution-to-the-maleatu-shakor-problem-and-other-leadership-woes/196049/41 "2019-10-17T12:28:33Z")
I didn’t realise I was being so subtle. It’s ironic that a mere, what, 16 days after leaving Aegis you’re telling other people to spend less time with Amarr. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-solution-to-the-maleatu-shakor-problem-and-other-leadership-woes/196049/42 "2019-10-17T12:28:40Z")
> [@Cain\_Aloga](#): > > What you are asking for is a weakening of our people which would do nothing but leave us vulnerable to the Great Enemy, and invite another Day of Darkness. I would suggest you limit your time with the slavers and come back to the Home Mother. They are starting to infect your thinking. I do not agree much with Cain Aloga politically - but here I do agree. The suggestion that we break down the Republic into seven tribes is _suicide_, and given the way the military reclaiming is on the rise again in the Empire, it won’t even be a _slow_ suicide. Whatever my personal feelings of recent events, we cannot afford a civil war. The Republic is, first and foremost, a mutual defense pact, and it absolutely needs to hold. _Never again another Long Night._ ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-solution-to-the-maleatu-shakor-problem-and-other-leadership-woes/196049/43 "2019-10-17T12:56:21Z")
> [@Kalaratiri](#): > > It’s ironic that a mere, what, 16 days after leaving Aegis you’re telling other people to spend less time with Amarr. In fairness, Kala, he did kind of leave in a dramatic way. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-solution-to-the-maleatu-shakor-problem-and-other-leadership-woes/196049/44 "2019-10-17T13:12:17Z")
> [@Cain\_Aloga](#): > > And yet another mad raving on the IGS about how “bad” the Sanmatar is, despite the strength he and the Tribal Council have brought to our Tribal Republic. > > Maybe you should should lay of the _tea_ . Well, I’d say you’ve got the wrong take, but I suppose I wasn’t being straightforward enough. Shakor isn’t the root of the problem, really, but everything personifies in him and he _is_ a part of the problem. A nation and tiitle birthed with mass murder - and from what we could tell, indiscriminate labeling of the victims as “collaborators with the enemy”, is not something to be proud of. If I were an conspiracy theorist, I might say that since Shakor couldn’t beat Midular in a democratic vote, he made sure he’d win by removing all other candidates, including the _Ray_. Of course her he couldn’t kill, people would not forgive murdering the Ray of Matar, no matter how much mud she was dragged through at the time. Secondly, you speak of strength he and the council have brought to the Republic. Would you happen to mean the Pendulum Wars that slowly bleed the Republic’s military resources? The Council’s sycophancy and kowtowing to Shakor, despite him being as much of, if not worse of an “appeaser” than Midular ever was? The Tribal Republic sure looks strong. But it’s foundations are laid in blood. And poor foundations will shatter before long. Granted, there is one strength, one good thing to come out of all this, even if, in my opinion, it has been directed poorly - Tribal unity truly has prospered for the past ten years, at least for the larger Tribes. Nefantar and Starkmanir are still more often than not cowed into silence. Lastly, screw you, I like my tea. ---
**Author:** ![Jade\_Blackwind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jade_blackwind/32/197719_2.png) [@Jade\_Blackwind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jade_Blackwind)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-solution-to-the-maleatu-shakor-problem-and-other-leadership-woes/196049/45 "2019-10-17T13:21:05Z")
> [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > I like this thread, but it doesn’t go far enough. The problem doesn’t end with the Sanmatar. We have to dismantle everything. Give power back to the individual Tribes. The same way it was before. > > Down with the Sanmatar. > Down with the Tribal Council. > Down with the Elder Network. This, in time. But… > [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > The suggestion that we break down the Republic into seven tribes is _suicide_ , and given the way the military reclaiming is on the rise again in the Empire, it won’t even be a _slow_ suicide. For now, this. Between the Republic as it is and a bunch of freshly reconquered Imperial provinces with martial law and ■■■■ I’d very much choose the Republic. ---
**Author:** ![Cain\_Aloga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cain_aloga/32/457080_2.png) [@Cain\_Aloga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cain_Aloga)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-solution-to-the-maleatu-shakor-problem-and-other-leadership-woes/196049/46 "2019-10-17T13:27:18Z")
> [@Kalaratiri](#): > > It’s ironic that a mere, what, 16 days after leaving Aegis you’re telling other people to spend less time with Amarr. And you think that detracts value to what I am saying? in what warped reality do you live in where those with experience are _less_ qualified? Would you like to list your own experiance, perhaps showing me that you are a _better_ authority in the matter. Yes. I worked for Aegis Militia. As soon as I was able, I _left_ Aegis Militia. I follow what I preach Kala. Do you? ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-solution-to-the-maleatu-shakor-problem-and-other-leadership-woes/196049/47 "2019-10-17T13:37:28Z")
> [@Cain\_Aloga](#): > > And you think that detracts value to what I am saying? Not at all. It is rather amusing though. > [@Cain\_Aloga](#): > > I follow what I preach Kala. Do you? Preaching isn’t really my style. I wonder where you might have picked that up though? ---
**Author:** ![Cain\_Aloga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cain_aloga/32/457080_2.png) [@Cain\_Aloga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cain_Aloga)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-solution-to-the-maleatu-shakor-problem-and-other-leadership-woes/196049/48 "2019-10-17T13:41:02Z")
> [@Kalaratiri](#): > > Preaching isn’t really my style. I wonder where you might have picked that up though? No, you just blow hot air while actively flying against Republic interests. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-solution-to-the-maleatu-shakor-problem-and-other-leadership-woes/196049/49 "2019-10-17T13:54:33Z")
> [@Cain\_Aloga](#): > > Republic interests Now that’s an interesting choice of phrase. I’d love to know what I’ve done “actively against the Republic”. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-solution-to-the-maleatu-shakor-problem-and-other-leadership-woes/196049/50 "2019-10-17T14:18:18Z")
> [@Kalaratiri](#): > > . I’d love to know what I’ve done “actively against the Republic”. Distracted impressionable young people from their work, by starring in that holo series. ---
**Author:** ![Cain\_Aloga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cain_aloga/32/457080_2.png) [@Cain\_Aloga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cain_Aloga)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-solution-to-the-maleatu-shakor-problem-and-other-leadership-woes/196049/51 "2019-10-17T14:36:37Z")
Your affiliations with the Cartel is known, and have you not, in the past also worked alongside Amarr loyalists actively against Matari forces? At least when I was flying for AM, I was shooting at other _Amarr_ forces. Not once did I ever turn my guns against the Republic. I have yet to hear of a single instance of any _action_ that you have done to benefit the tribes. As Elsebeth has said a few posts back, there is little that we agree on politically, however there is no denying her loyalty. You on the other hand are nothing but pirate. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-solution-to-the-maleatu-shakor-problem-and-other-leadership-woes/196049/52 "2019-10-17T15:13:14Z")
> [@Teinyhr](#): > > I think we should kill Maleatu Shakor. Really? A silly assasination?.. And do you truly believe it will solve some problems? I have way easier option, that will make life in whole New Eden better: _ **COMPLETE AND UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER TO AMARR EMPIRE.** _ ---
**Author:** ![Pol\_Macsliebh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pol_macsliebh/32/376245_2.png) [@Pol\_Macsliebh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pol_Macsliebh)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-solution-to-the-maleatu-shakor-problem-and-other-leadership-woes/196049/53 "2019-10-17T15:21:31Z")
The Amarr asked for our Surrender? What are you ranting about? Another comment from a Amarr pet. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-solution-to-the-maleatu-shakor-problem-and-other-leadership-woes/196049/54 "2019-10-17T15:34:38Z")
I don’t believe she understands that what she’s recommending is akin to telling the caldari that their only option is to submit to federal authority. Neither ideas are even close to being rational ideas. She simply has never put forth the effort to understand the similarities between our fights. Yes Diana Kim I am saying this for a reaction, I’m sure I’ll get one as well. Just understand that if our fights weren’t so similar I would have never proudly wore a state protectorate uniform and fought to help defend what is right. It is my personal opinion that if you actively tried to view our struggle instead of simply relying on the (dis)information spoon fed to you you would see similarities much as I have. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-solution-to-the-maleatu-shakor-problem-and-other-leadership-woes/196049/55 "2019-10-17T15:52:57Z")
I think for her it’s a matter of loyalty, Deitra. She seems to see her role as that of a soldier: not to question, but to act when called. The State and Empire are friends. Functionally that’s the end of it for her. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-solution-to-the-maleatu-shakor-problem-and-other-leadership-woes/196049/56 "2019-10-17T15:57:54Z")
> [@Pol\_Macsliebh](#): > > The Amarr asked for our Surrender? What are you ranting about? Another comment from a Amarr pet. Rude, typical for a minmatar. And no, I believe they haven’t… yet. It would be just a honorable deed considering what the Republic has committed against the Empire, starting with the Elder invasion. Well, provided that there are at least _someone_ in the Republic who is capable of understanding the concept of honor… ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-solution-to-the-maleatu-shakor-problem-and-other-leadership-woes/196049/57 "2019-10-17T16:19:12Z")
I definitely hear what your saying on that. I also know I’m a warrior of the Republic. On paper my Ally is the Federation, but to be a good ally one must call out the wrongs of your friends, or what kind of friend are you? For one to fight for what is just one must be willing to stand up against the wrongs in the cluster, no matter who and by any means necessary. I do honestly feel it is beneath her to blindly follow and not question. It shows a lack of situational awareness that I find hard to believe she lacks. If I didn’t respect her, trust me I’d let her live the fantasy she has been prescribed without saying a word. I do believe she’s better than that and surpasses myself on many things, it’s just a little surprising she seemingly lacks the desire to know the finer details of a conflict and simply settle for tunnel vision in this regard. I know I shouldn’t be surprised but I guess I’m a little bit of an optimist. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-solution-to-the-maleatu-shakor-problem-and-other-leadership-woes/196049/58 "2019-10-17T16:32:45Z")
> [@Deitra\_Vess](#): > > It shows a lack of situational awareness that I find hard to believe she lacks. For someone who’s not at peace with the world, some things are easier, even better, not to see-- and so go unseen. Teinyhr seems to think I function that way, too. Maybe sometimes I do. Maybe sometimes everyone does. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-solution-to-the-maleatu-shakor-problem-and-other-leadership-woes/196049/59 "2019-10-17T16:40:34Z")
I don’t believe you do, though I would say i think you get blinded at times. How can you fight a strategic war without situational awareness? The cluster seems rather far from being in a state of total war. Even if it’s easier how exactly can one expect to function well in such a way? Nevermind navigating the moral gray areas surrounding most conflicts today? I’ll admit it does perplex me how she can. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-solution-to-the-maleatu-shakor-problem-and-other-leadership-woes/196049/60 "2019-10-17T16:58:21Z")
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