# A thought about The Equilibrium of Mankind in the current crisis **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [May 7, 2021, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-thought-about-the-equilibrium-of-mankind-in-the-current-crisis/309869 "2021-05-07T14:13:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2021, 2:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-thought-about-the-equilibrium-of-mankind-in-the-current-crisis/309869/21 "2021-05-10T02:43:47Z")
Yeah, there’s … also I think an incident from a while back where a bunch of Nation codebreakers got confiscated by CONCORD and distributed for capsuleer use. If disassembled, they, um, had a head. A live human head. Each. Like, in a jar? I think it’s from when the “incursions” started. On reflection I should probably see whether I own one of those and … I don’t know, maybe put the poor thing out of its misery. Nation hivelinking’s reportedly irreversible. It’s something I would have picked up in my predecessor’s time and I have no idea what might have become of it, but she wasn’t one to waste resources, so … … yeah. Might even still have it. Ew. Anyway, yeah, even if all they got was a head, even then. . . . ---
**Author:** ![Tanagura\_Amoii](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tanagura_amoii/32/310830_2.png) [@Tanagura\_Amoii](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tanagura_Amoii)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2021, 3:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-thought-about-the-equilibrium-of-mankind-in-the-current-crisis/309869/22 "2021-05-10T03:28:11Z")
It is not for me to comment on whether Tibus Heth is a national hero or a villain. That is best left to the Caldari to decide for themselves. But the idea that out there somewhere is a zombie titan piloted by his disembodied head is very disturbing. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2021, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-thought-about-the-equilibrium-of-mankind-in-the-current-crisis/309869/23 "2021-05-10T11:51:01Z")
Tibus Heth is not the issue here. The issue is this Ocilan Ardishapur, whether genuine or impostor. ---
**Author:** ![Tanagura\_Amoii](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tanagura_amoii/32/310830_2.png) [@Tanagura\_Amoii](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tanagura_Amoii)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2021, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-thought-about-the-equilibrium-of-mankind-in-the-current-crisis/309869/24 "2021-05-10T13:44:54Z")
Your point is fair. Surviving for fifteen hundred years from this point forward could be explained by mind transfers into clones or some kind of cybernetic horror transformation. Surviving for the last fifteen hundred years seems more difficult to explain without the substantial support of some meddling precursor. Does Ocilan line up with the fall of the Second Jovian Empire? Perhaps he has always been an imposter. ---
**Author:** ![Utari\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/utari_onzo/32/378493_2.png) [@Utari\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Utari_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2021, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-thought-about-the-equilibrium-of-mankind-in-the-current-crisis/309869/25 "2021-05-10T17:29:13Z")
Or perhaps an identity assumed by each successive leader that emerges when the previous incumbent dies? It’s anybody’s guess at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Tanagura\_Amoii](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tanagura_amoii/32/310830_2.png) [@Tanagura\_Amoii](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tanagura_Amoii)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2021, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-thought-about-the-equilibrium-of-mankind-in-the-current-crisis/309869/26 "2021-05-10T17:35:47Z")
That would be very appropriate for a cult. After some suitably opaque ritual known only to members who are so secret, they don’t even realize they know the secrets until the right time. There would be some exchange of masks, and the new Ocilan would take over. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2021, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-thought-about-the-equilibrium-of-mankind-in-the-current-crisis/309869/27 "2021-05-10T20:41:24Z")
> [@Valerie\_Valate](#): > > Tibus Heth is not the issue here. > > The issue is this Ocilan Ardishapur, whether genuine or impostor. That was my point. Do not bring Caldari national Hero into this mess! ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-thought-about-the-equilibrium-of-mankind-in-the-current-crisis/309869/28 "2021-05-11T16:25:00Z")
> [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > Caldari national Hero You mean the Caldari wanted criminal on charges of terrorism against the State? ---
**Author:** ![Tanagura\_Amoii](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tanagura_amoii/32/310830_2.png) [@Tanagura\_Amoii](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tanagura_Amoii)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-thought-about-the-equilibrium-of-mankind-in-the-current-crisis/309869/30 "2021-05-11T19:32:59Z")
The Equilibrium’s objective is to purify “God’s” garden by killing everyone, and so anything that kills will help them meet that objective. Although the idea of a cult leader adopting the name of the previous cult leader is admittedly a very cult thing to do, the cluster is awash with ancient advanced civilizations mucking around, and so I remain partial to Ocilan always being an imposter. A bitter Jovian intellectual decided that the risks of Cluster-wide overpopulation were so dire the only rational solution was to kill everyone and start over. Whichever incarnation of Jovian empire was dominant at the time banished him, so he went to live with some religious fanatics who would be amenable to the idea of killing everyone, and here we are. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-thought-about-the-equilibrium-of-mankind-in-the-current-crisis/309869/31 "2021-08-09T19:33:43Z")
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