# A Year Ago I Was Ridiculed For Suggesting BCs For Alphas **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 29, 2017, 7:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065 "2017-12-29T07:31:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Do\_Little](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/do_little/32/411571_2.png) [@Do\_Little](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Do_Little)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/41 "2018-01-01T12:59:45Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > God man if 250,000,000 is something you dont consider loose change by now… My income has kept pace and I can earn the PLEX needed to subscribe my accounts a lot more easily today than I could even a year ago but that’s not the point. A new player still starts with the same 5,000 ISK in their wallet. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/42 "2018-01-01T13:01:31Z")
> [@Do\_Little](#): > > My income has kept pace and I can earn the PLEX needed to subscribe my accounts a lot more easily today than I could even a year ago but that’s not the point. Inverse for me, but as you say, its besides the point and cos Im too stubborn to do anything else. DED running for modules aint what it used to be… Im constantly surprised data/relic exploration hasnt depreciated, despite the enormous amount of players running them. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/43 "2018-01-01T13:03:02Z")
> [@Do\_Little](#): > > I can earn the PLEX needed to subscribe my accounts a lot more easily today than I could even a year ago but that’s not the point. Why’s that not the point? You’re saying its easier to earn isk and so PLEX prices are higher. Plus newbros dont have to buy it all in one go. Im not seeing the problem. > [@Do\_Little](#): > > A new player still starts with the same 5,000 ISK in their wallet. ANd no, once theyve done the Tutorials and Beginner Agents they have a net worth of at least 20m. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/44 "2018-01-01T13:05:39Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Plus newbros dont have to buy it all in one go. Doesnt matter if they buy 500 at once, or in increments. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > ANd no, once theyve done the Tutorials and Beginner Agents they have a net worth of at least 20m. He said they start with 5k isk. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/45 "2018-01-01T13:07:01Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Doesnt matter if they buy 500 at once, or in increments. Of course it does. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > He said they start with 5k isk. Yes, except under no metric known to man is this true. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/46 "2018-01-01T13:08:11Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Of course it does. How does it matter? You cant sub with PLEX until you have 500. What does it matter if you buy them all at once, or in increments? > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Yes, except under no metric known to man is this true. So how much isk does a new account start with? ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Little](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/do_little/32/411571_2.png) [@Do\_Little](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Do_Little)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/47 "2018-01-01T13:09:40Z")
> [@Jae\_Geten](#): > > Although I think it’s kind of odd that a BS semi AFK farming rats for hours is considered fine for the alpha player. But a mining barge or better skills at industrials is considered off limits? I’m interested in the logic behind it. I think CCP is hoping to get Alphas more involved in PVP fleets by letting them fly the hardware needed to fully participate in those fleets. They are also on record that they want to encourage Alphas to get involved in group activities rather than solo play. Ratting in a battleship is a solo activity and a moon mining fleet should be a group activity so I’m not sure their latest shot hit the target. I think they could foster more group play if they let Alphas fly barges to mine moon ore but don’t let excavator drones mine moon ore! ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/48 "2018-01-01T13:11:33Z")
> [@Do\_Little](#): > > I think CCP is hoping to get Alphas more involved in PVP fleets by letting them fly the hardware needed to fully participate in those fleets. They are also on record that they want to encourage Alphas to get involved in group activities rather than solo play. “Hope” being the operative term. I very much doubt either of those will be the outcome. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/49 "2018-01-01T13:12:51Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > How does it matter? In the same way any service that allows you to buy something over time makes it more affordable. You get a bit at a time, especially when its cheap like now. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > So how much isk does a new account start with? This is going to boil down to you not accepting any other assets than wallet at the start of the player-ship being spawned, isnt it? Because no matter what, you are going to discount selling the ship and the bounties that you get even though you cannot exit the fist scenario without claiming them, arent you. And also events and promotions, but again, Im guessing that wont count because you arent the one making the point? ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Little](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/do_little/32/411571_2.png) [@Do\_Little](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Do_Little)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/50 "2018-01-01T13:28:41Z")
My point was the new player “then” and the new player “now” start in pretty much the same place. The career missions and other new player content don’t pay any more today than they used to - and yes, new players do start with 400K SP rather than the 50K we used to get but that won’t have much impact on income potential. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/51 "2018-01-01T13:37:18Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > In the same way any service that allows you to buy something over time makes it more affordable. Its no more affordable, either way. Makes no difference if you buy them one a time, or buy 500 at once with your saved up isk. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > This is going to boil down to you not accepting any other assets than wallet at the start of the player-ship being spawned, isnt it? Its all he said. New toons start with 5k isk. He never claimed any more, nor less. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Im guessing that wont count because you arent the one making the point? His only point/claim, was that new toons start with 5k isk. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/52 "2018-01-01T13:39:52Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Its no more affordable, either way. > > Makes no difference if you buy them one a time, or buy 500 at once with your saved up isk. Of course it does. It only wouldnt make a difference if everyone’s income was the same over the same time, which it isnt. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > His only point/claim, was that new toons start with 5k isk. Yup, nothing about a wallet. New character’s Isk value is higher than 5k. Again, you make a semantic argument to support an inaccurate reading of the actual bottom line. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/53 "2018-01-01T13:45:00Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Of course it does. It only wouldnt make a difference if everyone’s income was the same over the same time, which it isnt. Sigh.. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Yup, nothing about a wallet. New character’s Isk value is higher than 5k. > > Again, you make a semantic argument to support an inaccurate reading of the actual bottom line. He said new toons start with 5k isk. Are you saying that is false? Brb, Ill start a new toon to see how much isk I start with. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/54 "2018-01-01T13:46:32Z")
You do what you want. Playing ignorant for comedy effect is serving no purpose for this topic. Ok Salvos whatever you say, Assets dont matter, only wallet. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/55 "2018-01-01T14:01:37Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Assets dont matter, only wallet. None of which refutes that a new toon starts with 5k isk. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/56 "2018-01-01T14:08:16Z")
Wierd how you can say “all isk is not paid for” and use events to support that, but “all new characters start with 5k” somehow doesnt bother you, even though the inaccuracy is the same. You choose which absolutes you challenge and which you dont based on who is making the statement. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/57 "2018-01-01T14:11:28Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Wierd how you can say “all isk is not paid for” and use events to support that, but “all new characters start with 5k” somehow doesnt bother you, even though the inaccuracy is the same. You mean “all PLEX”, I assume. And no, it isnt, unless CCP is indeed sourcing Buddy/Reward PLEX from confiscated stockpiles. You claimed he was wrong that new toons start with 5k isk. You are the one that is wrong, as indeed they do start with 5k isk. Own that, instead of dancing around it. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > You choose which absolutes you challenge and which you dont based on who is making the statement. I dont care who makes it. If its a false statement, I will call them on it. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/58 "2018-01-01T14:14:28Z")
You can argue the semantics of it all you wish, but we both know that new characters can accumulate PLEX more easily and start the game with more Isk now than they have at any time, with the exceptions of events and promotions when they had more. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I dont care who makes it. And thats a total lie, man. Simple as. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/59 "2018-01-01T14:15:48Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > start the game with more Isk now than they have at any time That’s false. They still start with 5k isk. No more, or less isk, than before. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/60 "2018-01-01T14:32:11Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > OMG you are so stunningly ignorant. > > The money supply is, if anything, growing more slowly. You are playing the old fake-game, by applying meaningless % numbers. Let me give you some basic math: the difference between 500B and 600B is 100B, right? That’s +20% if you base it on the 500B. Now, the difference between 1000B and 1100B happens to be 100B too, but that’s only 10% if you base it on the 1000B. That’s the mistake you made. You need to either take the same base value or look at absolute numbers. In fact, you’d also need to take a look at numbers we don’t have: amount of active players per month. From what I heard there used to be many more players a few years ago, which further ridicules your explanation. There you go, you are welcome. On top of that, I prefer official statistics by CCP and I really don’t need your graphs. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/c/5/c5fb2da7bbc71c345bf98578bb16370811ce200e.png) and now take a look at ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/e/1edf2a8b765e8d0918ef4dd33186945fc35fadce.png) you will find that the absolute growth in Money Supply in Nov17 would have been even greater, weren’t 27.7 Trillion ISK leaving the game together with the players who hold them. > [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > Really, the idea that there is too much ISK flowing into the in game economy is not supported by any facts at all. Everyone who takes a look at the MERs will laugh about you at this point. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065.md?page=4)