# A Year Ago I Was Ridiculed For Suggesting BCs For Alphas **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 29, 2017, 7:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065 "2017-12-29T07:31:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/61 "2018-01-01T14:52:35Z")
> [@Do\_Little](#): > > My income has kept pace and I can earn the PLEX needed to subscribe my accounts a lot more easily today than I could even a year ago but that’s not the point. > > A new player still starts with the same 5,000 ISK in their wallet. That’s precisely the point. The insane growth in money supply makes it harder and harder for new players to gain traction in the game. CCP could do a number of things here. For instance, they could bind the prices on NPC Markets, i.e. Skill Books, to the price of PLEX in ISK, which of course they can’t do without fking over new players. Still, it is odd that these prices don’t change. Progressively Taxing bounties by CONCORD would be another solution and there are many more. ---
**Author:** ![Coralas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/coralas/32/11762_2.png) [@Coralas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Coralas)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/62 "2018-01-01T15:16:45Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > [@Do\_Little](#): > > > > My income has kept pace and I can earn the PLEX needed to subscribe my accounts a lot more easily today than I could even a year ago but that’s not the point. > > Inverse for me, but as you say, its besides the point and cos Im too stubborn to do anything else. > > DED running for modules aint what it used to be… > Im constantly surprised data/relic exploration hasnt depreciated, despite the enormous amount of players running them. CCP actively supports professions when it needs to. Relics are supported by the salvage required to construct upwell structure rigs. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/63 "2018-01-01T15:17:05Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Im constantly surprised data/relic exploration hasnt depreciated, despite the enormous amount of players running them. Might be connected to the ridiculously low value of these sites if you count in time spent to find them and the level of activity you need to run them. Compare the hourly income of running Forsaken Hubs in a VNI and running Relic Sites in Null. The time spent to find new Relic Sites will let you semi-afk run a few FHubs. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > ANd no, once theyve done the Tutorials and Beginner Agents they have a net worth of at least 20m. Errr, yes they start with 5000 ISK nonetheless. Tutorials and Beginner Agents take active game time, so they don’t get anything for free. Both require active playstyle, unlike semi-afk ratting FHubs, Havens or whatever. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Ok Salvos whatever you say, Assets dont matter, only wallet. New players do not have any assets other than the free Corvette anyone gets at any time. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > new characters can accumulate PLEX more easily and start the game with more Isk now than they have at any time, That’s a completely different thing. You are changing the topic here in order to avoid proving your statements. But okay, I’ll go with it: new players can absolutely not play the game normally to PLEX their account. They’d need to make upwards of 1.6B in profits per 30 days, which only leaves them with the option to ignore any other aspect of the game, train up for a VNI and spend all their time ratting Forsaken Hubs. That isn’t playing the game, that is the game playing you. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/64 "2018-01-01T15:20:56Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > And thats a total lie, man. Simple as. There are a great deal of regulars you can blame for conveniently “ignoring” mistakes made by their buddies and/or ganging up on antagonists even when they know that antagonist is right. I’m not one of them. I’m not singling you or anyone else out for special treatment. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/65 "2018-01-01T15:20:56Z")
And Salvos will not point out that every statement youve made is inaccurate because of reasons he will presently make up. Hey who am I to argue with the best Signal Antennae Putter-Upper in the western world. The man is single handedly saving the world, didnt you know? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/66 "2018-01-01T15:22:04Z")
Uh huh sure. Thats why you never pick holes in Dinsdale’s posts, they are so full of truth lol. Whatever you say man, you are the master of all things after all. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/67 "2018-01-01T15:24:26Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > Might be connected to the ridiculously low value of these sites if you count in time spent to find them and the level of activity you need to run them. Meh, its still a fair bit of isk and its a very popular activity. I expect its more because, unlike DED modules, relic/data loot are sunk via a different mechanic that isnt as reliant on ship/module destruction. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/68 "2018-01-01T15:28:04Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Thats why you never pick holes in Dinsdale’s posts, they are so full of truth lol. So cos I dont engage Dinsdale, that means I’m singling you out? Ramona, Ill just as glady agree with you when I do. But in this case you tried to twist what he said about new toons starting with 5k isk. New toons start with 5k isk. Period. PS: If you dont get the Monty Python reference, you wont ever understand Dinsdale. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/69 "2018-01-01T15:34:14Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > The man is single handedly saving the world, didnt you know? Sounds like someone had an unhappy New Year ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/70 "2018-01-01T15:36:07Z")
Can you explain why that 5000 is signifigant when it will increase before even getting to a market? When before you can spend a single one a player will have alrwady increased it and is provided with a free ship to a value of more than a shuttle? And yes you single very specific people out; the fact you argue on a semantic point rather than the already known outcome with a particular specific group of people demonstrates this. This group are no more or less likely to type a sentence you have difficulty with their interperation of, whether its grammar or definition. If I said “CCP never intended people to live in wormholes” would you agree or disagree? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/71 "2018-01-01T15:43:47Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Can you explain why that 5000 is signifigant when it will increase before even getting to a market? They start with 5k isk. Period. Not one more or less isk than that. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > When before you can spend a single one a player will have alrwady increased it and is provided with a free ship to a value of more than a shuttle? Corvettes arent worth more than shuttles. I can generate an infinite amount of Corvettes, as can everyone else. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > And yes you single very specific people out No offense, but you overestimate your significance to me. I dont treat you any differently than I would anyone else. Frankly, I think its you that is singling me out. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > If I said “CCP never intended people to live in wormholes” would you agree or disagree? I would disagree. I dont understand why you ask. * * * Just admit new toons start with 5k isk, and we can move on. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/72 "2018-01-01T15:48:06Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Corvettes arent worth more than shuttles. OK youll have to explain to me why I can sell them for more than shuttles. Im assuming you are taking a different meaning of “worth” in this instance. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > They start with 5k isk. > > Period. Not one more or less isk than that. Thats not an answer to the question. But then Im used to you not having to live up to your own demands on others. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Frankly, I think its you that is singling me out. You are always first to reply to me, not the other way around. You instigate it, every time. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I dont understand why you ask. Your memory is too good for that to be the case. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 4:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/73 "2018-01-01T16:02:00Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > OK youll have to explain to me why I can sell them for more than shuttles. Im assuming you are taking a different meaning of “worth” in this instance. Where can you sell a Corvette for more than a Shuttle? Is there a Corvette market that Im unaware of? I can sell you as many Corvettes as you can afford to buy. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Thats not an answer to the question. But then Im used to you not having to live up to your own demands on others. You are the one that claimed he was wrong to state new toons start with 5k isk. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > You are always first to reply to me, not the other way around. You instigate it, every time. Could be. I havent kept track. You are just one of dozens of people I post to on this board in response to their posts. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Your memory is too good for that to be the case. In this case, my memory fails me. Have I claimed CCP did not intend for people to live in WHs? * * * Just admit that new toons start with 5k isk, and we can move on. That doesnt mean they dont start with more SP than before, and have Tutorials etc to earn more on. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/74 "2018-01-01T16:04:16Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Where can you sell a Corvette for more than a Shuttle? Jita for starters ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/75 "2018-01-01T16:06:03Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > Where can you sell a Corvette for more than a Shuttle? > > Jita for starters … When I said “sell” I meant that someone would buy it. You are aware that you can generate a new Corvette out of thin air simply by re-entering a station in your pod, right? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/76 "2018-01-01T16:06:41Z")
I guess those buy orders are my tiny brain misinterperating what Im seeing. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 4:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/77 "2018-01-01T16:22:43Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I guess those buy orders are my tiny brain misinterperating what Im seeing. Holy ■■■■. You are right. People are infact buying Corvettes. Touche on that 😃 But, still, a new toon starts with 5k isk 😉 That Corvette isnt isk until you sell it. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/78 "2018-01-01T16:24:30Z")
Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Sarus\_Gailen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sarus_gailen/32/46376_2.png) [@Sarus\_Gailen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sarus_Gailen)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/79 "2018-01-01T17:21:43Z")
Damage has already been done the moment people like Chribba came into the play. Think about how much ISK he makes a day just by doing 3rd party deals. He can buy as much as PLEX as he wants and it still won’t make a dent in his wallet. That’s the price of having a player-run economy. Free market at its finest. ---
**Author:** ![Rexxar\_Santaro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rexxar_santaro/32/420075_2.png) [@Rexxar\_Santaro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rexxar_Santaro)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2018, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065/80 "2018-01-01T17:24:54Z")
It’s great! You can’t believe, but I offered, like 6 months ago, to unlock T2 frigates for Alphas and CCP still keep it locked ☹ > Also, let the alpha clones to drive one or two T2 frigate and one mining barge at least. Because they with their limited T1 crap can’t made some serious impact on EVE economy. > > Finally, the price of PLEX (500 PLEX) always will be normalized (anticipated) to average ISK amount made through ISK/hour of in game mechanic during a month. So, new players will grind for a half plex/month while advanced players will grind for two-three plex/month no matter what are they doing. Topic: What do you anticipate the market price for PLEX to adjust to? [What do you anticipate the market price for PLEX to adjust to? - EVE New Citizens Q&A - EVE Online Forums](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/message/6942261/#post6942261) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-year-ago-i-was-ridiculed-for-suggesting-bcs-for-alphas/48065.md?page=5)