# Abandon self entitlement embrace the stoicism! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 7, 2021, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904 "2021-05-07T18:31:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/41 "2021-05-08T23:08:24Z")
Carebears, for all of their focus on “production” and “industry” and “making money” are _absolutely ■■■■■■■ terrible_ at economics. They don’t understand why a dollar today is worth more than a dollar tomorrow (which explains their terrible decisions with regard to industry in general), and by extension of this, don’t understand how this principle applies to _knowledge_, too. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/42 "2021-05-08T23:08:46Z")
Pretending we don’t exist is not an effective strategy for avoiding us. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/43 "2021-05-08T23:09:33Z")
> [@Mike\_Azariah](#): > > Oh and I still expect you to vote for me . . . i voted for you can you please ask CCP to remove tier 1 in FW? plz… it suck monkey balls ty ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 11:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/44 "2021-05-08T23:15:26Z")
True and I have never advocated ignoring you. Just not putting you into a permanent part of the NPE. Fair sized difference there. What we do do, in Rookie chat, is encourage the new pilots to think of ships as an expendable item. To not to get too attached to one ship because ship loss does happen Two missions in the current NPE do result in ship loss to reinforce that lesson. Heck if you want a more reality based lesson have one where the pilot is making isk, the longer they stay the more they make BUT tell them how to use the D-scan and have a random time until bad things come to point and destroy. Can the pilot learn to watch and get away with the goods/isk they have acquired? m ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/45 "2021-05-08T23:18:32Z")
Mike, you are confusing my request that the NPE inform players of the reality of PvP interactions, with a request that the NPE endorse me. The NPE fails to prepare new players, and this means there should be some adjustment to improve it. While I fully expect a large Aiko monument in every system, this isn’t just about me. Please think outside the box for a moment. ---
**Author:** ![Muerto\_Umbra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/muerto_umbra/32/268641_2.png) [@Muerto\_Umbra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Muerto_Umbra)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 1:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/46 "2021-05-09T01:35:04Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > If you do purchase the permit, when you go to mine the rocks, another miner is already there and has mined the rocks. He doesn’t have a permit, and he laughs at you. The same terrorists come and blow you up anyway. Fixed that for you. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 1:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/47 "2021-05-09T01:38:03Z")
Theyre only terrorists if you genuinely fear their actions. ---
**Author:** ![Muerto\_Umbra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/muerto_umbra/32/268641_2.png) [@Muerto\_Umbra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Muerto_Umbra)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 1:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/48 "2021-05-09T01:39:58Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Pretending that permits are abnormal **anything but pure ■■■■■■■■** is misleading new players. > [@Mike\_Azariah](#): > > Oh and I still expect you to vote for me . . . You may have just earned mine right here. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_lord_trump/32/411482_2.png) [@Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Lord_Trump)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 4:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/49 "2021-05-09T04:22:10Z")
I do have to agree with Mike here. I definitely like the idea that the player would learn to deal with people extorting them though, although I think that putting in a direct reference to mining permits puts Aiko on a bit too high of a pedestal. Maybe the scenario could be: Career agent: Hey I need some veldspar, go get me some, watch out for pirates tho. At which point the new player blissfully warps into the mining field and mines for a bit and then the pirates warp in. They tackle the new player and demand ISK to not blow them up. If they don’t pay, the pirates blow them up. If they do pay, the pirates only usually blow them up. The new player is forced to limp back to the career agent with their tail between their legs. The career agent tells them about tools they can use to avoid pirates in the future and gives them some ISK (perhaps this mission should offer slightly more due to the potential for ransom payment) and a new venture. ---
**Author:** ![Zane\_Carbin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zane_carbin/32/281983_2.png) [@Zane\_Carbin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zane_Carbin)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 6:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/50 "2021-05-09T06:33:35Z")
> [@Mike\_Azariah](#): > > True and I have never advocated ignoring you. You’re trying to reason and use logic with someone who just can’t stop trolling ever. I understand why you do it, I’m just not so sure you should. ---
**Author:** ![Natalie\_Patrovita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natalie_patrovita/32/253528_2.png) [@Natalie\_Patrovita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natalie_Patrovita)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/51 "2021-05-09T06:47:37Z")
> [@Dark\_Lord\_Trump](#): > > I think that putting in a direct reference to mining permits puts Aiko on a bit too high of a pedestal. Agreed. That would make what’s only in her head a reality: that she owns EVE Online. Giving New Players the impression that mining permits are an **integral** part of EVE gameplay is definitely not the way to go. They’re a nuisance at best and completely avoidable. ---
**Author:** ![Zora\_e](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zora_e/32/312179_2.png) [@Zora\_e](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zora_e)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 7:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/52 "2021-05-09T07:14:06Z")
I could def get behind something like that. Would be epic, and the salty tears even more so! ---
**Author:** ![Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neo_bladedrifter/32/244232_2.png) [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neo_Bladedrifter)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 7:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/53 "2021-05-09T07:22:36Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Theyre only terrorists if you genuinely fear their actions. Ganking is just another form of Farming. You are giving them so much credit if you tag them with a badass label such as terrorist.😊 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 7:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/54 "2021-05-09T07:31:15Z")
> [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](#): > > Ganking is just another form of Farming. You are giving them so much credit if you tag them with a badass label such as terrorist.😊 Doing PvE is farming, because it has a lot in common with growing and harvesting crops (sow the field by breaking up a moon and then collect the ore). Ganking, however, is closer to animal husbandry/raising livestock (you let the herd graze and feast, and then cull it by harvesting the meat-laden specimens most prime for the reaping). And the generic miner or mission-runner is in fact very close to cattle in terms of mental processing, motivation, and self-consciousness. So gankers are more like shepherds/ranchers than farmers. ---
**Author:** ![Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neo_bladedrifter/32/244232_2.png) [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neo_Bladedrifter)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 7:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/55 "2021-05-09T07:42:23Z")
I love farming and harvesting🥰 ![images.jpeg-4](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/1/0/a10677408542d0c051bd9a2ebc77d9f8a74ad043.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 9:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/56 "2021-05-09T09:06:35Z")
I didnt. I was replying to someone who did. ---
**Author:** ![Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neo_bladedrifter/32/244232_2.png) [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neo_Bladedrifter)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 9:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/57 "2021-05-09T09:08:43Z")
I just use the word YOU as a general term.😅My apology. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 9:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/58 "2021-05-09T09:10:08Z")
Its fine, I think we both agree the term is not suitable for any EvE activity. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/59 "2021-05-09T09:20:18Z")
> [@Edmorte\_Fehrnah](#): > > Every capsuleers should experience at the tutorial of being ganked by 2 stronger ships scramming and webbing him, followed by an explanation that EVE is a dangerous environment. This should be the first experience upon warping to the first site in tutorial in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 9:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/60 "2021-05-09T09:29:36Z")
Unless they are rewarded for working out how to not die, and shown that they can live if they are smart, this idea is a terrible as the current one. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904.md?page=4)