# Abandon self entitlement embrace the stoicism! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 7, 2021, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904 "2021-05-07T18:31:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Natalie\_Patrovita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natalie_patrovita/32/253528_2.png) [@Natalie\_Patrovita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natalie_Patrovita)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2021, 7:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/81 "2021-05-10T07:40:13Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > It is natural that in case of abilities and knowledge, which everyone can get, the people starting: > > 1. do not see their own low level of abilities and knowledge, > 2. cant correctly assess the level of abilities and knowledge in themselves, > 3. cant correclty assess the level of abilities and knowledge in others, > 4. recognize and see their low level of abilities and knowledge in case of **apriopriately** directed study. Boy! It’s a wonder anyone learned how to play this game then! Tell me, by what miracle are **you** able to play EVE?? What did you use to acquire the knowledge of the different things to do and watch out for I wonder. So according to you CCP should set up paid-for online classes for new players? Should there be EVE tutors paid by the hour? Could there be a license to play? An EVE diploma issued by EVE University? Could the CSM be employed as New Eden professors? Moderators of this forum could be student-players deans. > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > But still you first have to know what to read. How hard is it to type _EVE Online Wiki_ in the damn Google search bar?? What to read? _everything_. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2021, 7:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/82 "2021-05-10T07:40:49Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Its more effective and time efficient to take directed courses at beginning or having a reference point inside game, preferably in tutorial. Thats the opposite of what you just wrote. > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > You need to be directed. Is what you wrote. You cant have it both ways. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2021, 8:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/83 "2021-05-10T08:12:22Z")
You silly people. You just cant stop jumping to conclusions. You need to be directed because it is more effective and time efficient to take directed courses. Else you are loosing time. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2021, 8:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/84 "2021-05-10T08:30:01Z")
If you had said that in the first place, then there would be little argument other than “Only if you consider it important to do it quickly”. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2021, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/85 "2021-05-10T08:39:22Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I don’t actually want the NPE to warn new players about griefer space bully terrorists. I can see why the fate of new players can be not at all important for more experienced players, I can see why CCP would not really do tutorial and help other way than they did. But I dont think its both good way in both cases, and it is bad for CCP, and players in game, new and old. Because players are leaving more often because of it. ---
**Author:** ![Natalie\_Patrovita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natalie_patrovita/32/253528_2.png) [@Natalie\_Patrovita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natalie_Patrovita)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2021, 9:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/86 "2021-05-10T09:23:20Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > If you had said that in the first place, then there would be little argument other than “Only if you consider it important to do it quickly”. Still though, what’s the rush? It’s not like EVE is dying anytime soon, lol. ---
**Author:** ![Natalie\_Patrovita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natalie_patrovita/32/253528_2.png) [@Natalie\_Patrovita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natalie_Patrovita)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2021, 9:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/87 "2021-05-10T09:29:48Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Because players are leaving more often because of it. I don’t think those players are leaving because they can’t figure EVE out. I think they’re leaving because they can and have figured it out and come to the conclusion that it’s just not the game for them. That’s what I want those players to do, leave instead of coming onto the forum crying and whining and demanding CCP changes the game for them. EVE isn’t for everyone and the sooner someone figures out it’s not for them the better off everyone is. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2021, 9:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/88 "2021-05-10T09:41:45Z")
> [@Natalie\_Patrovita](#): > > That’s what I want those players to do, leave instead of coming onto the forum crying and whining and demanding CCP changes the game for them With quicker and more exhaustive info on game early, they wouldnt get false impressions that then would be the thing they hold on to, which could later crash with reality and disappoint them. It would be telling what the game is actually from day one. I had occasion to tell few people about this game, and even before they started playing, most of them were not interested in trying it tho later. All those people were not conned, were told truth. They didnt ever posted they are disappointed in their choice or that its CCP fault. They were saved and won EVE before even knowing it. 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2021, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/89 "2021-05-10T09:47:27Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > With quicker and more exhaustive info on game early, they wouldnt get false impressions that then would be the thing they hold on to, which could later crash with reality and disappoint them. Which is why I have no sympathy for them. If you believe what a company says about their own product in their advertising, then you have only yourself to blame when it turns out to be lies. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2021, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/90 "2021-05-10T11:18:11Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > If you believe what a company says about their own product in their advertising, then you have only yourself to blame Why blame innocent people who are only a recipient of the ad for someone elses misleading advertising? Everyone should blame the advertiser. Blame CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2021, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/91 "2021-05-10T11:21:48Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Why blame innocent people who are only a recipient of the ad for someone elses misleading advertising? > > Everyone should blame the advertiser. > Blame CCP. All advertisements are misleading. Where does it stop? If a person cannot take responsibility for finding out about something from a source other than the one profiting most from you using it, then I guess they blame a lot of other people for their own poor choices a lot. Why on earth do you feel companies who sell you products can be trusted to tell you the truth? ---
**Author:** ![Natalie\_Patrovita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natalie_patrovita/32/253528_2.png) [@Natalie\_Patrovita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natalie_Patrovita)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2021, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/92 "2021-05-10T14:16:23Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Why blame innocent people who are only a recipient of the ad for someone elses misleading advertising? Because anyone who believes the crap that those companies put out gets no sympathy from me. I may send them a letter saying I’m selling beachfront property in Maricopa County but that’s about it. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2021, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandon-self-entitlement-embrace-the-stoicism/309904/93 "2021-08-08T14:16:52Z")
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