# Abandoned ships = space junk = we need a solution **URL:** \ **Category:** Assembly Hall\ **Created:** [January 21, 2023, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665 "2023-01-21T13:12:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/41 "2023-01-25T21:32:49Z")
And with Brisc gone, there will truly be no representation. ---
**Author:** ![Some\_Letters](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/some_letters/32/351719_2.png) [@Some\_Letters](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Some_Letters)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/42 "2023-01-25T21:34:14Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > Why on earth would you be looking for answers from the CSM? That’s not our job Why on earth would you ask questions to the players?? Is that our job? ---
**Author:** ![Some\_Letters](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/some_letters/32/351719_2.png) [@Some\_Letters](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Some_Letters)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/43 "2023-01-25T21:38:56Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > so most likely you don’t have to endure him in that position for long if he bothers you so much He doesn’t bother me. Why would he bother me?? I’m just surprised he’s asking questions to the players instead of replying with info he would have as a CSM. We’re wondering why it would be such a big deal to be able to shoot empty ships and he replies with questions. It’s BS. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 9:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/44 "2023-01-25T21:40:33Z")
> [@Some\_Letters](#): > > Why on earth would you ask questions to the players?? Is that our job? Of course it is. Why are you here wasting my time with this idiocy? You don’t want to discuss the subject, don’t post. > [@Some\_Letters](#): > > I’m just surprised he’s asking questions to the players instead of replying with info he would have as a CSM. What info am I supposed to have? An explanation as to why CCP decided to do things a certain way 20 years ago? I’m not the one asking for a change to the rules - OP is. If he wants this, at the very least he can help me craft an argument I can take to them to explain it. I think you can pretty much guarantee I’m not going to help you, if this is the attitude I get when discussing the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 9:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/45 "2023-01-25T21:40:54Z")
There will be representation ofc, nullsec overlords will have their puppets as usual so they will be represetned. 😛 🤭 ---
**Author:** ![Some\_Letters](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/some_letters/32/351719_2.png) [@Some\_Letters](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Some_Letters)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/46 "2023-01-25T21:51:05Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > You don’t want to discuss the subject, don’t post. I want to discuss any subject about EVE but obviously it won’t be with you because you have no respect for anybody but yourself and your clique. > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > I think you can pretty much guarantee I’m not going to help you I don’t need help from you. Matter of fact, since you have no answers and cop such an attitude I might as well block you. Have a good day. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/47 "2023-01-25T21:55:25Z")
> [@Some\_Letters](#): > > I want to discuss any subject about EVE but obviously it won’t be with you because you have no respect for anybody but yourself and your clique. What does this even mean? What clique? I am not the one who came here telling someone else how to do their job, kid. > [@Xeux](#): > > And with Brisc gone, there will truly be no representation. I’m the only one who comes here and talks to anyone, and I’m the bad guy with these people because I had the audacity to ask a question. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/48 "2023-01-25T22:04:20Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > There will be representation ofc, nullsec overlords will have their puppets as usual so they will be represetned. 😛 🤭 Basically the World Economic Forum of Eve. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/49 "2023-01-25T22:04:56Z")
> [@Some\_Letters](#): > > and he replies with questions. It’s BS. It is called the Socratic Method. Look it up. ---
**Author:** ![Some\_Letters](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/some_letters/32/351719_2.png) [@Some\_Letters](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Some_Letters)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 10:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/50 "2023-01-25T22:24:12Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > It is called the Socratic Method. Look it up I don’t care what it’s called. A players’ representative to CCP ought to know better than to play sharades with players who want to know what the deal is with the interdiction to blow up abandoned ships. His attitude reflects CCP’s attitude towards the players: pay and shut up. It’s a disgrace. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/51 "2023-01-26T00:32:42Z")
I have never seen anybody get annoyed about this before. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 1:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/52 "2023-01-26T01:20:05Z")
> [@Some\_Letters](#): > > A players’ representative to CCP ought to know better than to play sharades with players who want to know what the deal is with the interdiction to blow up abandoned ships. > His attitude reflects CCP’s attitude towards the players: pay and shut up. > It’s a disgrace. Again, god forbid I ask a question of somebody. I don’t know what the reason for them not allowing this, and I would like to think that somebody out there may have a better understanding. My attitude reflects my general exasperation that after four years of being a player rep, I still have to deal with this kind of ■■■■. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 1:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/53 "2023-01-26T01:50:23Z")
The much more interesting question is: what does the game do if the owner is a legitimate war target or a criminal? Does the game know who the owner of the ship is and behave accordingly? Or is this just something that is stupidly hard coded into the Concord programming. ---
**Author:** ![Some\_Letters](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/some_letters/32/351719_2.png) [@Some\_Letters](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Some_Letters)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/54 "2023-01-26T07:12:29Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > I have never seen anybody get annoyed about this before Get annoyed about what? Derelict spaceships? His crappy attitude or the resulting disgrace? ---
**Author:** ![Chupi\_fantastika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chupi_fantastika/32/453335_2.png) [@Chupi\_fantastika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chupi_fantastika)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/55 "2023-01-26T07:48:48Z")
Love to see a capture with that massive abandoned ships generating lag enough for open a nonsense thread like this. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 9:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/56 "2023-01-26T09:33:20Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > what does the game do if the owner is a legitimate war target or a criminal? Does the game know who the owner of the ship is and behave accordingly? Yes and yes. - If the owner is a suspect you can shoot his stuff without CONCORD. - Same if you have a limited engagement (and yes your limited engagement extends or if first time shooting is created with the individual if you shoot their abandoned ship if I recall correctly though not 100% but not so if you shoot their deployable that I am absolutely sure about based on personal experience). - No personal experience but based on the above same with war targets. - Based on the above same if the guy is a criminal, though not sure if CONCORD actually shows up and kills the abandoned ship if he gets a criminal flag elsewhere but my assumption is yes CONCORD pops them too not just the currently boarded ship, though no confirmation so not 100% on this either. But overall the ship’s owner is recognized as if you board an abandoned ship then leave it you can pop it as it now belongs to you. ---
**Author:** ![Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mindahouf_davaham/32/379996_2.png) [@Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mindahouf_Davaham)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/57 "2023-01-26T10:15:31Z")
mind you this dude is in my corp ---
**Author:** ![Westend\_Boy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/westend_boy/32/351238_2.png) [@Westend\_Boy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Westend_Boy)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 10:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/58 "2023-01-26T10:35:36Z")
Jeez… stay focused and friendly. This is not about Brisc Rubal, when he leaves CSM, how he is doing after that, who is in what corp, whether Minmatars brush their teeth, or which hedge trimmer is best. @Brisc_Rubal Why CCP implemented it that way back 18+ years ago, you don’t have to ask me, you have to ask CCP. I’m just suggesting a change that really isn’t hard to implement and doesn’t require massive DEV resources. And if you can improve the game with this little thing, then why the hell not? Or do ideas always have to have a certain scale or minimum size? Or are we playing the game of “it’s always been this way, so let’s keep it that way”? Otherwise there would never be any progress. The point is, I’m saying: Abandoned and derelict corvette and shuttle sized ships in highsec should be shootable without Concord or station or gate gun intervention. This improves the game a little bit and doesn’t hurt anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Some\_Letters](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/some_letters/32/351719_2.png) [@Some\_Letters](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Some_Letters)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/59 "2023-01-26T10:41:30Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > My attitude reflects my general exasperation Then quit. No one is forcing you to deal with anything. It was your choice to run for CSM so take your role seriously or quit. Your crappy attitude is unbecoming of CSM. And looking at your post history it’s not the first time you act like a jerk towards players. You are an embarrassment to CCP and the CSM. > [@Mindahouf\_Davaham](#): > > mind you this dude is in my corp If speaking my mind is a problem for your image you can kick me out. Plenty of other corporations out there. ---
**Author:** ![Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mindahouf_davaham/32/379996_2.png) [@Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mindahouf_Davaham)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/60 "2023-01-26T13:07:28Z")
no just i have reputation to call csm to ideas i have so this is just a pass of the tourch at least in the forms as i’m doing this all the time in the discord [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665.md?page=4)