# Abandoned ships = space junk = we need a solution **URL:** \ **Category:** Assembly Hall\ **Created:** [January 21, 2023, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665 "2023-01-21T13:12:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 7:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/81 "2023-01-26T19:22:38Z")
But then the guy will complain it is cruel that he has to murder his (now) own ship because of some litterer. 🤭 😉 🙃 ---
**Author:** ![Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mindahouf_davaham/32/379996_2.png) [@Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mindahouf_Davaham)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/82 "2023-01-26T19:23:24Z")
then take it home with you ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/83 "2023-01-26T19:24:25Z")
Then they will complain it is too much effort. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mindahouf_davaham/32/379996_2.png) [@Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mindahouf_Davaham)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/84 "2023-01-26T19:24:46Z")
THEN GO TO THE CLOSET PIRATE SYSTEM ---
**Author:** ![Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mindahouf_davaham/32/379996_2.png) [@Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mindahouf_Davaham)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 7:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/85 "2023-01-26T19:25:11Z")
sorry about that been doing a bit of necormancing ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/86 "2023-01-26T19:26:42Z")
But then they will complain about something else. 😏 🍿 :dealwithitparrot: ---
**Author:** ![Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mindahouf_davaham/32/379996_2.png) [@Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mindahouf_Davaham)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/90 "2023-01-26T19:52:54Z")
also make that 40 ---
**Author:** ![Westend\_Boy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/westend_boy/32/351238_2.png) [@Westend\_Boy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Westend_Boy)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/91 "2023-01-26T20:28:05Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > > [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > > > if you board an abandoned ship then leave it you can pop it as it now belongs to you. > > Buried in all this angry diatribe between the plebeian and the aristocrat is the solution to the original problem! If you live in highsec or travel through it very often, you can sometimes find abandoned shuttles and corvettes at gates or stations on a daily basis. If you are traveling in your, let’s say, Tengu, then you are of course free to leave your Tengu and board the empty shuttle that is standing abandoned at the gate/station. Then you can wait for the cool-down timer and in the meantime someone boards your Tengu. Hmm… why doesn’t that sound like a good suggestion or “solution”? ---
**Author:** ![Westend\_Boy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/westend_boy/32/351238_2.png) [@Westend\_Boy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Westend_Boy)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/92 "2023-01-26T20:50:31Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > Space is dirty. This is true in real life, it’s true in New Eden. In this context, this is not true: You can’t just dump your car, with a note in it with your name on it, in public space by just parking it on the street and walking away. You can do it, of course, but then the police will come to you or you will have to pay a hefty fine. But in New Eden, where there’s Concord in every highsec system, you can just dispose of your vessels wherever you want. And we’re not talking about cruisers, we’re talking about ships that players can get for free or for under 50,000 ISK as good as a gift. Nobody would leave a Battlecruiser at the gate and disappear. So there is something wrong with the attitude of some players. It’s like online poker for virtual money. At almost every table there is someone who goes all-in before the flop. If you were playing for real money, you would hardly do something like that in every round. But hey, if it’s not worth anything, I don’t have to take care of it or pay attention to my environment. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 9:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/93 "2023-01-26T21:25:07Z")
> [@Westend\_Boy](#): > > In this context, this is not true: > You can’t just dump your car, with a note in it with your name on it, in public space by just parking it on the street and walking away. You can do it, of course, but then the police will come to you or you will have to pay a hefty fine. > **[10 Things: What's That Space Rock? - NASA Science](https://science.nasa.gov/solar-system/10-things-whats-that-space-rock)** > > The path through the solar system is a rocky road. Asteroids, comets, Kuiper Belt Objects—all kinds of small bodies of rock, metal and ice are in constant motion as they orbit the Sun. But what’s the difference between them? Why do these miniature... ---
**Author:** ![Tzashrah\_Praankar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tzashrah_praankar/32/354043_2.png) [@Tzashrah\_Praankar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tzashrah_Praankar)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/94 "2023-01-26T22:02:43Z")
In this subforum: ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/b/6bde5234a6458a5a32dcf085abed19098a0a7516.gif) Brisc, when your final term is over, you should post in here; “you won’t have Brisc Rubal to kick around anymore”. lol ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/95 "2023-01-26T23:09:15Z")
> [@Westend\_Boy](#): > > If you are traveling in your, let’s say, Tengu, then you are of course free to leave your Tengu and board the empty shuttle that is standing abandoned at the gate/station. Then you can wait for the cool-down timer and in the meantime someone boards your Tengu. Hmm… why doesn’t that sound like a good suggestion or “solution”? Look on the bright side - at least they can’t _shoot_ your Tengu! ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 9:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/96 "2023-01-27T09:59:03Z")
> [@Westend\_Boy](#): > > So there is something wrong with the attitude of some players. I heartily agree. By the way, how about that combat probe smokescreen? ---
**Author:** ![Tzashrah\_Praankar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tzashrah_praankar/32/354043_2.png) [@Tzashrah\_Praankar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tzashrah_Praankar)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/97 "2023-01-27T10:05:51Z")
> [@Westend\_Boy](#): > > there is something wrong with the attitude of some players. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/b/6/db655707d4a5b449a4f1b3caa55648e3e8728b9d.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Westend\_Boy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/westend_boy/32/351238_2.png) [@Westend\_Boy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Westend_Boy)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/98 "2023-01-27T11:07:34Z")
Somewhat exaggerated to illustrate the point: ![icon_image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/a/2/da2e5013e029e4556c68c6bd1b2a5ab03555d723.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Westend\_Boy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/westend_boy/32/351238_2.png) [@Westend\_Boy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Westend_Boy)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/100 "2023-01-27T11:18:08Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > > [@Westend\_Boy](#): > > > > In this context, this is not true: > > You can’t just dump your car, with a note in it with your name on it, in public space by just parking it on the street and walking away. You can do it, of course, but then the police will come to you or you will have to pay a hefty fine. > > [10 Things: What's That Space Rock? - NASA Science](https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/news/orbital_debris.html) Is there a space police in our present time that punishes transgressions of the law in space? There is one in New Eden - comparable to ours on Earth. And since not everyone of us calls a spaceship his own, I have compared it with a car which you cannot simply dispose of at the roadside. And to say “We’re littering everything these days anyway, so we don’t have to change anything for the future and we can go on like this.” is kind of nonsense. If it had always been argued in this way, then we simple people would not have the right to vote nowadays, would still live in servitude, would not have machines (what for, everything can be produced by hand) and so on. And no, a corvette abandoned and disposed at the gate does not hurt YOU or ME personally. Neither does an abandoned and dumped car on a public street. It’s still not okay. In our times you will be punished for this - not so in the future New Eden. And we are not even talking about punishing the players! Just about being allowed to shoot down/dispose of this garbage with impunity. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/101 "2023-01-27T12:20:57Z")
Please tell me more about how the inability to shoot empty corvettes in High Sec is like becoming a royalist, embracing the Hobbesian political philosophy justifying an absolute sovereign, or espousing Neo-Luddism. As opposed to just being a mechanic of a game set in a fantastic view of the future that has dystopic elements you don’t like. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/102 "2023-01-27T17:07:01Z")
Anybody who abandons a ship in highsec should get criminal status if the ship is still there after 24 hours. It is the only solution that makes any logical sense. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abandoned-ships-space-junk-we-need-a-solution/392665/103 "2023-04-27T17:07:46Z")
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