# Abysmal Joke (Joy) - How a great idea can fail so hard (or be great after all) **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 29, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abysmal-joke-joy-how-a-great-idea-can-fail-so-hard-or-be-great-after-all/79383 "2018-05-29T22:54:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![erg\_cz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erg_cz/32/392645_2.png) [@erg\_cz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/erg_cz)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abysmal-joke-joy-how-a-great-idea-can-fail-so-hard-or-be-great-after-all/79383/62 "2018-05-30T11:39:51Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > Maybe I didn’t make myself clear. I logged in after downtime and ran Data Site after Data Site as the first to enter in most cases. Friends from the regions did the same. Most of us spent many hours before finding the first filament. It was not due to containers already being looted, it was because of a low drop rate. Ok, that sucks. You are right, than. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abysmal-joke-joy-how-a-great-idea-can-fail-so-hard-or-be-great-after-all/79383/63 "2018-05-30T11:48:22Z")
You know it is not even about that alone. What pisses me off is the context in which it happens. There was so much feedback from players, so much work put in by the community to help gain data for a sensible approach. Starting with this ridiculously low droprate of Filaments wasn’t the only thing that could have been avoided. It is more like CCP called for feedback, but completely ignored most of it altogether. Another example: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/8n7fku/psa\_you\_can\_safely\_ignore\_the\_suspect\_timer\_from/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/8n7fku/psa_you_can_safely_ignore_the_suspect_timer_from/) So this thread pops up on r/EVE and some guy tells CCP in the feedback thread about it. Here is the reaction: > [@EVE Online: Into The Abyss - Known Issues & Reporting](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-online-into-the-abyss-known-issues-reporting/79026/110): > > Interesting, I did not see this. Taking a look. Alright, not bad you might say. The thing is I reported this sh\*t long ago in the official feedback thread for people testing the new stuff. > [@Dev blog: Abyssal Deadspace - What Lies Beyond The Filament](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-abyssal-deadspace-what-lies-beyond-the-filament/76890/61): > > [@everyone](https://forums.eveonline.com/groups/everyone) Currently it is possible to avoid being attacked after leaving Abyssal Deadspace In all areas of space! Here are the steps for you to reproduce: Run Abyssal Deadspace and make sure to have one spare Filament with you After exiting the final room and returning to normal space: DON’T DO ANYTHING You have a 60s Invulnerability timer as long as you don’t move/activate modules etc. Open your cargohold, double click the spare Filament After 30-45 seconds the Abyssal Trace will despawn … What else is left to do than to rage after you realize that these so-called feedback threads are largely ignored? Rage is the only language CCP seems to understand. It’s pretty sad imo. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abysmal-joke-joy-how-a-great-idea-can-fail-so-hard-or-be-great-after-all/79383/64 "2018-05-30T12:02:38Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > Funny enough, your mind tricked you. Here’s something I made, special, from me to you: [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/1/f/c1f79d24f6917e5c9b8e8a54a7399ad5424f629b.jpeg "Zluq Pocket Rehab") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Xub-baRD7o) You got exactly what you asked for. I tried to warn you, but all you guys did was troll. No use whining now. ---
**Author:** ![Kaivarian\_Coste](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaivarian_coste/32/413759_2.png) [@Kaivarian\_Coste](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kaivarian_Coste)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abysmal-joke-joy-how-a-great-idea-can-fail-so-hard-or-be-great-after-all/79383/65 "2018-05-30T12:02:46Z")
After DT, I found 3 more filaments in the first few data sites I hacked. I don’t know why you’re having such terrible luck lol. If you hate hacking, do another isk-making activity that you enjoy and just buy the filaments. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhir/32/379234_2.png) [@Mizhir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhir)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abysmal-joke-joy-how-a-great-idea-can-fail-so-hard-or-be-great-after-all/79383/66 "2018-05-30T12:02:55Z")
How about you post it in the Feedback thread or the Issues thread? You literally posted it in the wrong thread (a thread mostly for informing the players) and are now complaining that CCP didn’t see it. ---
**Author:** ![JuuR\_Zibaoo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/juur_zibaoo/32/375053_2.png) [@JuuR\_Zibaoo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JuuR_Zibaoo)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 12:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abysmal-joke-joy-how-a-great-idea-can-fail-so-hard-or-be-great-after-all/79383/67 "2018-05-30T12:03:32Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > What else is left to do than to rage after you realize that these so-called feedback threads are largely ignored? and why you know that it is ignored? maybe they just work on the things? maybe it is as intended? you just dont know that … > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Cos people like you refused to discuss my linear model without trolling instead hoping for a high rate of multiple filament drops. you are right with that and when i look ant the killboard of @zluq_zabaa you can see that this was his plan [zluq zabaa | Character | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/character/95782285/) he is one of this null sec guys never can get enough not lucky this time JuuR ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abysmal-joke-joy-how-a-great-idea-can-fail-so-hard-or-be-great-after-all/79383/68 "2018-05-30T12:04:39Z")
> [@Kaivarian\_Coste](#): > > After DT, I found 3 more filaments in the first few data sites I hacked. I don’t know why you’re having such terrible luck lol. Because they changed it now, duh? ---
**Author:** ![Alice\_Saki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alice_saki/32/486142_2.png) [@Alice\_Saki](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alice_Saki)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abysmal-joke-joy-how-a-great-idea-can-fail-so-hard-or-be-great-after-all/79383/69 "2018-05-30T12:05:05Z")
My Day has been made ❤ ---
**Author:** ![Mizhir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhir/32/379234_2.png) [@Mizhir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhir)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abysmal-joke-joy-how-a-great-idea-can-fail-so-hard-or-be-great-after-all/79383/70 "2018-05-30T12:06:38Z")
Or maybe because everyone and their grandma aren’t rushing to grab filaments anymore. ---
**Author:** ![JuuR\_Zibaoo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/juur_zibaoo/32/375053_2.png) [@JuuR\_Zibaoo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JuuR_Zibaoo)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abysmal-joke-joy-how-a-great-idea-can-fail-so-hard-or-be-great-after-all/79383/71 "2018-05-30T12:07:11Z")
@Salvos_Rhoska cool … just cool … you are the hero of the week 😂🤣 thanks mate!! you made my day!! JuuR ---
**Author:** ![Kaivarian\_Coste](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaivarian_coste/32/413759_2.png) [@Kaivarian\_Coste](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kaivarian_Coste)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abysmal-joke-joy-how-a-great-idea-can-fail-so-hard-or-be-great-after-all/79383/72 "2018-05-30T12:08:38Z")
Possibly. All I know is that I’m now swimming in cash since yesterday. THanks CCP! ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abysmal-joke-joy-how-a-great-idea-can-fail-so-hard-or-be-great-after-all/79383/73 "2018-05-30T12:20:42Z")
You have officially won this thread with this contribution. Also you roll cigarettes, which is a big plus in my book. Everyone else thanks for participating. ---
**Author:** ![Nunosh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nunosh/32/378366_2.png) [@Nunosh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nunosh)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abysmal-joke-joy-how-a-great-idea-can-fail-so-hard-or-be-great-after-all/79383/74 "2018-05-30T12:37:26Z")
Loooooool this is so much better than that Brisc Rubal’ CSM campaign video Salvos, you should quit smokking lol it will ruin your voice lol ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abysmal-joke-joy-how-a-great-idea-can-fail-so-hard-or-be-great-after-all/79383/75 "2018-05-30T12:42:26Z")
Thanks everyone, especially @zluq_zabaa. (See, Im not such a bad guy, and I guess neither are you) (We gotta remember to have fun.) * * * **Back to topic:** Lets wait a week or so and see how the filament drop rates pan out. I still think “1 filament = One L1-L5 chain” is the best policy to maintain the demand/supply of filaments, and subsequently loot from each L. Explorers source the L1s, and others run them as far as they are comfortable, and sell the resulting filament onto someone prepared to take on the higher Ls. The L4-L5 will likely be sourced to/ run mostly in Player NS secure system anyways, as they dont have to worry about the suspect flag on re-entry there. At a 1:1 guaranteed filament drop to the next L, everyone knows where they stand without RNG, the pricing/supply will be linear, and all filaments/loot will remain appropriately lucrative, as per the L they access and the loot you can earn there. CCP can then adjust loot tables for the L1-L5 pockets, and droprates of L1s from Data sites, without having to worry about wrecking the AD filament/loot market. ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abysmal-joke-joy-how-a-great-idea-can-fail-so-hard-or-be-great-after-all/79383/76 "2018-05-30T12:57:06Z")
Oh my god… 200 billion killed after one day! 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abysmal-joke-joy-how-a-great-idea-can-fail-so-hard-or-be-great-after-all/79383/77 "2018-05-30T13:01:50Z")
Imagine people were not given abundance of the filaments. If CCP would be really cruel, they would give everyone a filament with intend to make them run it. Now its just people decisions, would I better run it or sell it, maybe risk it, gambling ship and pod in result? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abysmal-joke-joy-how-a-great-idea-can-fail-so-hard-or-be-great-after-all/79383/78 "2018-05-30T13:05:52Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Imagine people were not given abundance of the filaments. 1:1 ratio is fair and keeps the value/supply of both the filaments and loot from the pockets, progressive and linear. You create and complete a L1 pocket sequence with an L1 filament, and get 1 (only one) L2 filament guaranteed, which you can either run yourself, or sell to someone else. That then generates a single L3 filament, which you either run, or sell, and so on till the chain is exhausted at L5. We dont need multiple filament drops. What we need, is JUST ONE guaranteed filament drop. ---
**Author:** ![Hidden\_Markov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hidden_markov/32/260260_2.png) [@Hidden\_Markov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hidden_Markov)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abysmal-joke-joy-how-a-great-idea-can-fail-so-hard-or-be-great-after-all/79383/79 "2018-05-30T13:32:57Z")
> [@Nigbala\_Tareem](#): > > yes, I mean - it’s not even 24 hours since the launch of the feature and already someone is complaining about drop rates … que? :-s I am tempted to check out industry section. patch day always brings out patching broke invention rates too lol… Quick check of dev blogs sees they never said there’d be hundreds of these per system. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abysmal-joke-joy-how-a-great-idea-can-fail-so-hard-or-be-great-after-all/79383/80 "2018-05-30T13:45:37Z")
: D !! ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abysmal-joke-joy-how-a-great-idea-can-fail-so-hard-or-be-great-after-all/79383/81 "2018-05-30T13:55:59Z")
Stop smoking Salvos, I’ve been smoking for almost 15 years, bad habit. Ps. Amy would be proud 😉 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abysmal-joke-joy-how-a-great-idea-can-fail-so-hard-or-be-great-after-all/79383.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abysmal-joke-joy-how-a-great-idea-can-fail-so-hard-or-be-great-after-all/79383.md?page=5)