# Abyss sites just aren't worth it **URL:** \ **Category:** Missions\ **Created:** [August 10, 2019, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyss-sites-just-arent-worth-it/181366 "2019-08-10T09:05:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyss-sites-just-arent-worth-it/181366/21 "2019-08-12T15:50:57Z")
So ccp is responsible for all the internet connections of all their players anywhere in the world? Ok, cool. Why should it be easy to make a large amount of isk? That’s already a problem for eve, why make it easier? ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyss-sites-just-arent-worth-it/181366/22 "2019-08-12T16:03:14Z")
When Eve is the only thing having connection problems on the computer while other sites are working perfectly, then the problem is CCP’s server and or it’s connection network. Over the years CCP has had multiple problems with their server and usually it’s posted on forums / Social Media when it happens. Do you honestly think they’re also going to admit there’s major issues with their connection network as well? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyss-sites-just-arent-worth-it/181366/23 "2019-08-12T16:35:53Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > When Eve is the only thing having connection problems on the computer while other sites are working perfectly, then the problem is CCP’s server and or it’s connection network. WTF ? no. I had two toons in the same system (not the same grid though) and one of them disconnected. Only one of them. Everything else was fine. If this was an issue from CCP servers, then both toons would have disconnected. It can also very well be an issue on the Eve client, or the user’s drivers, or whatever. We don’t know, they don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyss-sites-just-arent-worth-it/181366/24 "2019-08-12T16:38:19Z")
It could be just a random selection of accounts getting disconnected. Here in California when Electricity usage gets high, the cities enact a ‘Rolling Blackout’ and temporally disconnect various areas at different times. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyss-sites-just-arent-worth-it/181366/25 "2019-08-12T16:47:56Z")
In that case the cities knows who gets disconnected. I mean it’s not like the connection was the reason of the load. Disconnecting clients from the server for a random reasons is a very bad strategy when working on real time service. It does not alleviates the server load. ---
**Author:** ![Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bjorn_tyrson/32/371958_2.png) [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bjorn_Tyrson)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyss-sites-just-arent-worth-it/181366/26 "2019-08-12T22:40:00Z")
> [@TheSeraph\_Crendraven](#): > > The premise is, fit a ship that’s just good enough to run a site just hard enough to be a challenge and require some planning, but be achievable if you put the effort in. This right here is your problem. The trick to abyssals isn’t using something “just good enough” to beat the timers. You want the most overkill overpowered ship and implants you can afford. So that you can blast through the rooms with TONS of time to spare. Yes you CAN do them with cheaper fits, but your margin of error, and chances of bad spawns increases dramatically. Bling is king in the abyss. ---
**Author:** ![dewk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dewk/32/168218_2.png) [@dewk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/dewk)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyss-sites-just-arent-worth-it/181366/27 "2019-08-12T23:16:48Z")
Could be worse loose a blinged out HAC to a Sleeper Battleships Alpha strike. Seen a few loose ships worth more than 500mil and equal if not more in implants. Abyssal are design to test you and your fit. You could heaps of great runs and the next you lose everything because of one silly mistake. Internet connection issues don’t just effect abyssal run, but all gameplay, EVE or other game. ---
**Author:** ![Roman\_Nicolaus\_Sternberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/roman_nicolaus_sternberg/32/146913_2.png) [@Roman\_Nicolaus\_Sternberg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Roman_Nicolaus_Sternberg)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyss-sites-just-arent-worth-it/181366/28 "2019-08-13T09:42:05Z")
Don’t waste your time with abyss - [https://forums.eveonline.com/t/daily-reminder-if-you-have-any-doubts-about-your-internet-connection-stability-dont-take-the-risk-of-abyssal-deadspace/](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/daily-reminder-if-you-have-any-doubts-about-your-internet-connection-stability-dont-take-the-risk-of-abyssal-deadspace/) Google Starsector, it’s a really good game. ---
**Author:** ![Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bjorn_tyrson/32/371958_2.png) [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bjorn_Tyrson)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyss-sites-just-arent-worth-it/181366/29 "2019-08-13T11:43:27Z")
I agree. No one should run abyss sites at all. I would love the income boost from less competition. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyss-sites-just-arent-worth-it/181366/30 "2019-08-13T14:30:25Z")
Today OP learned that unplugging his router and then petitioning the ship loss is not a valid tactic when his Abyssal timer reaches 19:30. ---
**Author:** ![Syn\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syn_sotken/32/167297_2.png) [@Syn\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syn_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyss-sites-just-arent-worth-it/181366/31 "2019-08-14T12:53:32Z")
It’s saddening to see CCP nerf HS incursions to oblivion in favor of this flawed gameplay. ---
**Author:** ![Wyk\_Bathana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wyk_bathana/32/374287_2.png) [@Wyk\_Bathana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wyk_Bathana)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyss-sites-just-arent-worth-it/181366/32 "2019-08-14T13:04:48Z")
why? something which can be challenging or easy, depending on the tier level, that you can do solo OR with 2 mates, with random npc waves making you learn to adapt to what is spawning, i don’t see it as a bad gameplay… you are not forced to do abyssal sites, if incursions are nerfed, there are so many things to do in eve… ---
**Author:** ![Syn\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syn_sotken/32/167297_2.png) [@Syn\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syn_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyss-sites-just-arent-worth-it/181366/33 "2019-08-14T13:14:57Z")
I know that, that’s the saddening part. Feels like they’re ending it and that’s always the answer: look elsewhere. A lot of people are already doing that, but not within eve… ---
**Author:** ![Wyk\_Bathana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wyk_bathana/32/374287_2.png) [@Wyk\_Bathana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wyk_Bathana)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyss-sites-just-arent-worth-it/181366/34 "2019-08-14T15:42:05Z")
my question was more about the word “flawed gameplay”, which i found unfair ---
**Author:** ![Syn\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syn_sotken/32/167297_2.png) [@Syn\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syn_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyss-sites-just-arent-worth-it/181366/35 "2019-08-14T18:34:28Z")
That was meant in the sense that it’s a more niche activity than most others. Newcomers for instance will have a huge risk of losing ships and pods for _little_ rewards. Excluding L4/L5 which is clearly not for newcomers anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Wyk\_Bathana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wyk_bathana/32/374287_2.png) [@Wyk\_Bathana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wyk_Bathana)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 10:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyss-sites-just-arent-worth-it/181366/36 "2019-08-14T22:44:23Z")
you can do solo t3s with a caracal. or with 3 non too expensive frigs. How could it be harder for newcomers than incursions? ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyss-sites-just-arent-worth-it/181366/37 "2019-08-14T22:57:48Z")
Because Sansha Incursions don’t have a countdown timer and those NPC’s don’t destroy player pods. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyss-sites-just-arent-worth-it/181366/38 "2019-08-14T23:09:15Z")
You can also solo T1s in an alpha-friendly Worm fit and an implant-free pod and you’ll have tons of time left over. You can manage about 50m an hour, which is comparable to null sec anoms in a subcap. ---
**Author:** ![Kiro\_Skye](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kiro_skye/32/376842_2.png) [@Kiro\_Skye](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kiro_Skye)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyss-sites-just-arent-worth-it/181366/39 "2019-08-16T13:18:43Z")
I have been disconnected today while doing a T4 in a 1.7b ship + 1b pod, all lost. I play Eve from 2014 and never get disconnected… I can’t believe that in all this time I get disconnected only while doing abyss in a shiny ship… If you google alot o people has had this problem. CCP fix your game! ---
**Author:** ![Wyk\_Bathana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wyk_bathana/32/374287_2.png) [@Wyk\_Bathana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wyk_Bathana)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyss-sites-just-arent-worth-it/181366/40 "2019-08-16T14:36:18Z")
i got disconnected several times in eve, never in an abyssal site. So, if apply the same way of reasoning as you, i should think that abyssal sites PROTECT me from disconnexion. What i mean is that drawing conclusions and correlations from an unique event is not valid. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyss-sites-just-arent-worth-it/181366.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyss-sites-just-arent-worth-it/181366.md?page=3)