# Abyssal are too large of beacon for gankers even in 5.0 space . Risk vs Reward is unbalanced

**URL:** <https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-are-too-large-of-beacon-for-gankers-even-in-5-0-space-risk-vs-reward-is-unbalanced/322274>\
**Category:** General Discussion\
**Created:** [August 2, 2021, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-are-too-large-of-beacon-for-gankers-even-in-5-0-space-risk-vs-reward-is-unbalanced/322274 "2021-08-02T15:54:41Z")\
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**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\
**Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 9:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-are-too-large-of-beacon-for-gankers-even-in-5-0-space-risk-vs-reward-is-unbalanced/322274/61 "2021-08-11T09:02:52Z")

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60 posts in and not a single post in support of the OP.

You forum griefers are terrible. 🙂

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**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\
**Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 9:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-are-too-large-of-beacon-for-gankers-even-in-5-0-space-risk-vs-reward-is-unbalanced/322274/62 "2021-08-11T09:03:46Z")

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sadly you either missed or ignored the punchline of my joke. At least one of us is not funny. 😒

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**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\
**Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 9:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-are-too-large-of-beacon-for-gankers-even-in-5-0-space-risk-vs-reward-is-unbalanced/322274/63 "2021-08-11T09:04:40Z")

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Are you really surprised that AG players who keep saying that ganking is part of the game do not support the OP?

> [@Pan\_Dora1](#):
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> sadly you either missed or ignored the punchline of my joke. At least one of us is not funny.

I never said I was funny 😜 Though I suppose that is actually funny 😛

The real funny thing is that some gankers have actually said something like what you said on the forums several times. The funniest example I saw was a bumper getting upset because a new player followed him around and was reporting his location. He actually petitioned the new player for harassing him, he could of course have been having a dig at the harassment rules as such, but it was funny.

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**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\
**Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 9:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-are-too-large-of-beacon-for-gankers-even-in-5-0-space-risk-vs-reward-is-unbalanced/322274/64 "2021-08-11T09:04:58Z")

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> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#):
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> 60 posts in and not a single post in support of the OP.
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> You forum griefers are terrible. 🙂

Hang on, I’ll get on my alt.

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**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\
**Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 9:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-are-too-large-of-beacon-for-gankers-even-in-5-0-space-risk-vs-reward-is-unbalanced/322274/65 "2021-08-11T09:16:57Z")

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> [@Dracvlad](#):
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> Though I suppose that is actually funny 😛

Could have been if you hadn’t added this bit. You know…don’t explain the joke.

> [@Dracvlad](#):
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> The real funny thing is that some gankers have actually said something like what you said on the forums several times.

Ahh. I also love when the “Hardcore” players complain about things being too difficult to them.

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**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\
**Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-are-too-large-of-beacon-for-gankers-even-in-5-0-space-risk-vs-reward-is-unbalanced/322274/66 "2021-08-11T09:49:34Z")

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> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#):
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> 60 posts in and not a single post in support of the OP.

Sure my post put forward my Thoughts

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**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\
**Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-are-too-large-of-beacon-for-gankers-even-in-5-0-space-risk-vs-reward-is-unbalanced/322274/67 "2021-08-11T09:53:54Z")

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> [@Pan\_Dora1](#):
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> Maybe people shouldn’t be allowed to kill defenseless destroyers in HS with such impunity.

Not always defense less , the other day why hunting KR around jita a Thrasher took out two of our tacklers because our DPS was late , it’s was fun hunting him even though he got away, just hope he had fun

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**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\
**Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-are-too-large-of-beacon-for-gankers-even-in-5-0-space-risk-vs-reward-is-unbalanced/322274/68 "2021-08-11T10:14:04Z")

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> [@Githany\_Red](#):
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> Not always defense less

By that example, not always kill and not always impunity. 🤷‍♀️

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**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\
**Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-are-too-large-of-beacon-for-gankers-even-in-5-0-space-risk-vs-reward-is-unbalanced/322274/69 "2021-08-11T10:30:01Z")

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Btw, remember when you were Suspect flagged for simply _using_ a fillet o fish?

CCP is still “testing” this “temporary” removal

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**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\
**Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-are-too-large-of-beacon-for-gankers-even-in-5-0-space-risk-vs-reward-is-unbalanced/322274/70 "2021-08-11T11:18:10Z")

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> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#):
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> Btw, remember when you were Suspect flagged for simply _using_ a fillet o fish?

No. Tell me everything about it, pleeeease.

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**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\
**Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-are-too-large-of-beacon-for-gankers-even-in-5-0-space-risk-vs-reward-is-unbalanced/322274/71 "2021-08-11T14:58:02Z")

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Well, when they made them, youd come out of the abysmal instance and be flashy yellow.

Then they took that away, and used the same wording as they did for bounties about it being temporary for testing.

And never spoke of it again.

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**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\
**Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-are-too-large-of-beacon-for-gankers-even-in-5-0-space-risk-vs-reward-is-unbalanced/322274/72 "2021-08-11T15:55:50Z")

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I think it’s time to revert that temporary change, let higher tier Abyssal sites turn people suspect again.

It shouldn’t be possible to run those profitable PvE sites simply in Jita with minimal risk.

If people would turn suspect again when entering higher tier abyssals they will be encouraged to spread out and do abyssals in other parts of the game, inculding low sec, null sec and wh space, when there is no extra safety from CONCORD in HS.

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**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\
**Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-are-too-large-of-beacon-for-gankers-even-in-5-0-space-risk-vs-reward-is-unbalanced/322274/73 "2021-08-11T17:14:32Z")

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Why only “higher” Tier?

and what Tiers would that be?

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**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\
**Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-are-too-large-of-beacon-for-gankers-even-in-5-0-space-risk-vs-reward-is-unbalanced/322274/74 "2021-08-11T17:58:10Z")

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If I remember correctly, only the higher tiers would make you suspect on using the filament. Tier 3+ or so?

That would keep lower tier abyssals as ‘safe’ newbie friendly activity for high sec players, while putting the higher rewards behind bigger risk by removing CONCORD protection upon exit.

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**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\
**Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-are-too-large-of-beacon-for-gankers-even-in-5-0-space-risk-vs-reward-is-unbalanced/322274/75 "2021-08-11T18:09:22Z")

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I think it was just the tier 4 and tier 5 stuff.

Also, suspect-flagging abyssal runners makes no sense. There’s really no counter-play to a blob waiting for you on the exit aside from just trying to do them “somewhere else.” At least with gankers there’s CONCORD, kill rights, EHP setups, etc. that can be utilized as a counter. But just suspect-flagging them is stupid, because they’ll come out and I’m going to be there in my 10B-ISK Hyperion, and that’s a fight they’re never going to win (or, you know, just bring 20 friends with me).

A much more rational solution would be to suspect-flag **everyone** who lands on the same grid as a live trace (including the site runner who comes out of it at the end). Or maybe requiring anyone who wants to attack the abyssal runner to follow them into the trace, with the NPCs inside acting accordingly.

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**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\
**Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-are-too-large-of-beacon-for-gankers-even-in-5-0-space-risk-vs-reward-is-unbalanced/322274/76 "2021-08-11T18:21:05Z")

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Suspect flagging makes sense from the point that it makes all space equal for where you do it. When you get suspect flagged for entering a higher tier abyssal site, you’re no safer in high sec than you would be in low sec or null sec.

Right now there’s no good reason to do those sites in null sec or low sec when you could just do them in Jita instead. No reason for people to spread.

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**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\
**Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-are-too-large-of-beacon-for-gankers-even-in-5-0-space-risk-vs-reward-is-unbalanced/322274/77 "2021-08-11T18:23:02Z")

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I disagree.

You would be objectively safer in any area of space that is not high-sec, because you could have your own people cover the exit and proactively attack anyone who’s waiting for you to come out, or be able to help you once the fight starts without going criminal.

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**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\
**Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-are-too-large-of-beacon-for-gankers-even-in-5-0-space-risk-vs-reward-is-unbalanced/322274/78 "2021-08-11T18:24:38Z")

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Apart from the ‘proactive’ attack unless you are willing to suicide gank, you have the same help in high sec.

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**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\
**Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-are-too-large-of-beacon-for-gankers-even-in-5-0-space-risk-vs-reward-is-unbalanced/322274/79 "2021-08-11T18:25:04Z")

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How so?

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**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\
**Post date:** [August 11, 2021, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-are-too-large-of-beacon-for-gankers-even-in-5-0-space-risk-vs-reward-is-unbalanced/322274/80 "2021-08-11T18:26:17Z")

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Ah you’re right. The suspect timer means people cannot come to your aid in high sec. Why is high sec so strange…

Anyway, that just means people are encouraged to do higher tier abyssal sites _outside HS_, or find a quiet HS spot. I see nothing wrong with that.

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