# Abyssal Filaments - Elite Lucifer Cynabal & Dramiel **URL:** \ **Category:** PvE Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [April 26, 2021, 3:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-filaments-elite-lucifer-cynabal-dramiel/307778 "2021-04-26T03:08:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Graedin\_Aye-Selmo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/graedin_aye-selmo/32/269525_2.png) [@Graedin\_Aye-Selmo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Graedin_Aye-Selmo)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2021, 3:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-filaments-elite-lucifer-cynabal-dramiel/307778/1 "2021-04-26T03:08:50Z")
Hey, how the \*\*\*\* are these waves supposed to be survived in t3 with frigates? My hawk’s are worth nearly 900m each + implants and I’m running duo setup. Is there any plan to nerf this ridiculous wave that just means you have an instant death based on RNG if you run abyssal? Thanks and kindly, what the \*\*\*. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2021, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-filaments-elite-lucifer-cynabal-dramiel/307778/2 "2021-04-26T10:45:38Z")
I’m not that experienced in abyssals, but in my understanding you can bring 3 frigates, right? Maybe bringing a third frigate could help? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-filaments-elite-lucifer-cynabal-dramiel/307778/3 "2021-07-25T10:45:52Z")
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