# Abyssal Frig and Neuts (T3) **URL:** \ **Category:** Missions\ **Created:** [April 27, 2020, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-frig-and-neuts-t3/236037 "2020-04-27T22:53:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Da\_Banker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/da_banker/32/499119_2.png) [@Da\_Banker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Da_Banker)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2020, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-frig-and-neuts-t3/236037/1 "2020-04-27T22:53:26Z")
So me and a buddy were doing these T3s fine in our frigs. But then we got hit by a VERY heavy neut spawn. Basically all ships neuting Dams and Veds. What is a frig group supposed to do? They seemed to neut so far away that kitting didn’t seem like the answer. And I "refuse’ to accept that there is just a kill spawn that can’t be avoided, especially at T3 level. Anyone got any tips and or fits they might be able to share? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2020, 12:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-frig-and-neuts-t3/236037/2 "2020-04-28T00:50:19Z")
I was doing T3 in solo and got ganked like 1 year ago by this spawn. neuted + webed I lost a 500M frig. also the damavik were super resilient, I had no time to kill them. I guess fitting a cap battery and a ADC on your AF would help ? ---
**Author:** ![Jared\_Danton](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jared_danton/32/199237_2.png) [@Jared\_Danton](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jared_Danton)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2020, 1:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-frig-and-neuts-t3/236037/3 "2020-04-28T01:20:07Z")
What frig were you using? The hawk or the worm? ---
**Author:** ![Da\_Banker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/da_banker/32/499119_2.png) [@Da\_Banker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Da_Banker)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2020, 6:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-frig-and-neuts-t3/236037/4 "2020-04-28T06:31:43Z")
Worm in this case ---
**Author:** ![Wyk\_Bathana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wyk_bathana/32/374287_2.png) [@Wyk\_Bathana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wyk_Bathana)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2020, 9:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-frig-and-neuts-t3/236037/5 "2020-04-28T09:38:08Z")
remote rep frigs ---
**Author:** ![Poisyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/poisyn/32/293035_2.png) [@Poisyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Poisyn)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2020, 7:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-frig-and-neuts-t3/236037/6 "2020-05-02T07:02:19Z")
Hi there, I’ve had 2 Vedmaks and 7-8 dams all neuting in a T5 Dark along with 3 anchoring and some striking Dams, you definitely will be neuted out, but the thing with frigs is you can pulse the AB indefinitely as well as periodically pulsing your shield rep as required until you get room to a manageable level, benefit of the Dark site is you will hardly get hit as long as you keep up with the speed. Assuming your in an exotic in which case you just get hit more often but trade off is the speed of the kills due to worm bonuses with Kinetichole you survived. ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2020, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-frig-and-neuts-t3/236037/7 "2020-05-13T12:02:23Z")
I saw some videos were the frigs-drones were doing some 2.500 speed… I know only one frig that can go that fast and still deliver some damage at 80+ distance… what is their neut+webbing range? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 9:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-frig-and-neuts-t3/236037/8 "2020-05-18T09:03:55Z")
here are a few stas of the rats, including neutralizer optimal and falloff. > **clic** > > | name | id | EM EHP | TH EHP | KI EHP | EX EHP | OMNI EHP | orbit Range | tracking evasion | Tur Em DPS | Tur Th DPS | Tur Ki DPS | Tur Ex DPS | Tur Max Th DPS | Tur Max Ex DPS | Miss Ki DPS | Miss Ex DPS | Neut Strength | Neut Optimal | Neut Falloff | warp scrambler | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | | | EHP | EHP | EHP | EHP | EHP | m | rad/s | HP/s | HP/s | HP/s | HP/s | HP/s | HP/s | HP/s | HP/s | GJ/s | m | m | m | > | Photic Abyssal Overmind | 47876 | 51525 | 47621 | 51371 | 48673 | 48025 | 30000 | 1 | 0 | 41 | 68 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Twilit Abyssal Overmind | 47877 | 68098 | 63810 | 87184 | 78384 | 72000 | 36000 | 1 | 0 | 103 | 171 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Bathyic Abyssal Overmind | 47878 | 99348 | 88200 | 92486 | 109634 | 95544 | 29025 | 1 | 0 | 161 | 226 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Hadal Abyssal Overmind | 47879 | 145773 | 126339 | 131994 | 131830 | 131355 | 20790 | 1 | 0 | 197 | 275 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Benthic Abyssal Overmind | 47880 | 165292 | 142287 | 148703 | 159251 | 151090 | 29160 | 1 | 0 | 248 | 347 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Drifter Foothold Battleship | 47953 | 120000 | 120000 | 120000 | 120000 | 120000 | 60000 | 0 | 25 | 25 | 25 | 25 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Drifter Rearguard Battleship | 47954 | 120000 | 120000 | 120000 | 120000 | 120000 | 60000 | 0 | 50 | 50 | 50 | 50 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Drifter Frontline Battleship | 47955 | 120000 | 120000 | 120000 | 120000 | 120000 | 60000 | 0 | 75 | 75 | 75 | 75 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Drifter Vanguard Battleship | 47956 | 120000 | 120000 | 120000 | 120000 | 120000 | 60000 | 0 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Drifter Assault Battleship | 47957 | 120000 | 120000 | 120000 | 120000 | 120000 | 60000 | 0 | 125 | 125 | 125 | 125 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Drifter Entanglement Cruiser | 47958 | 37500 | 37500 | 37500 | 37500 | 37500 | 7500 | 13 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Drifter Nullwarp Cruiser | 47959 | 37500 | 37500 | 37500 | 37500 | 37500 | 7500 | 13 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 10000 | > | Drifter Nullcharge Cruiser | 47960 | 37500 | 37500 | 37500 | 37500 | 37500 | 7500 | 13 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 15 | 10000 | 0 | 0 | > | Ghosting Damavik | 48086 | 6970 | 5826 | 6484 | 5408 | 5995 | 6000 | 97 | 0 | 16 | 0 | 8 | 25 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Starving Vedmak | 48087 | 23978 | 20439 | 22705 | 19415 | 21029 | 22000 | 5 | 0 | 91 | 0 | 67 | 137 | 101 | 0 | 0 | 18 | 10000 | 5000 | 0 | > | Tangling Damavik | 48088 | 6970 | 5826 | 6484 | 5408 | 5995 | 6000 | 104 | 0 | 16 | 0 | 8 | 25 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Anchoring Damavik | 48089 | 6970 | 5826 | 6484 | 5408 | 5995 | 6000 | 104 | 0 | 16 | 0 | 8 | 25 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 9500 | > | Starving Damavik | 48090 | 6970 | 5826 | 6484 | 5408 | 5995 | 6000 | 94 | 0 | 16 | 0 | 8 | 25 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 12 | 4000 | 9000 | 0 | > | Harrowing Vedmak | 48091 | 23978 | 20439 | 22705 | 19415 | 21029 | 15000 | 8 | 0 | 91 | 0 | 67 | 137 | 101 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Striking Damavik | 48092 | 6970 | 5826 | 6484 | 5408 | 5995 | 6000 | 101 | 0 | 16 | 0 | 8 | 25 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Striking Leshak | 48122 | 52425 | 46175 | 50918 | 45238 | 47438 | 63000 | 1 | 0 | 60 | 0 | 38 | 91 | 57 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Renewing Leshak | 48123 | 52425 | 46175 | 50918 | 45238 | 47438 | 63000 | 1 | 0 | 60 | 0 | 38 | 91 | 57 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Tangling Leshak | 48124 | 52425 | 46175 | 50918 | 45238 | 47438 | 12000 | 4 | 0 | 60 | 0 | 38 | 91 | 57 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Starving Leshak | 48125 | 52425 | 46175 | 50918 | 45238 | 47438 | 63000 | 1 | 0 | 60 | 0 | 38 | 91 | 57 | 0 | 0 | 25 | 30000 | 20000 | 0 | > | Warding Leshak | 48126 | 52425 | 46175 | 50918 | 45238 | 47438 | 63000 | 1 | 0 | 60 | 0 | 38 | 91 | 57 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Blinding Leshak | 48127 | 52425 | 46175 | 50918 | 45238 | 47438 | 63000 | 1 | 0 | 60 | 0 | 38 | 91 | 57 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Ephialtes Lancer | 48234 | 5444 | 5444 | 5444 | 5444 | 5444 | 10000 | 37 | 15 | 15 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Ephialtes Entangler | 48235 | 5444 | 5444 | 5444 | 5444 | 5444 | 8000 | 47 | 10 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Ephialtes Spearfisher | 48236 | 5444 | 5444 | 5444 | 5444 | 5444 | 7000 | 53 | 10 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 9000 | > | Ephialtes Illuminator | 48237 | 5444 | 5444 | 5444 | 5444 | 5444 | 10000 | 37 | 10 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Ephialtes Dissipator | 48238 | 5444 | 5444 | 5444 | 5444 | 5444 | 10000 | 37 | 10 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 10 | 8000 | 4000 | 0 | > | Ephialtes Obfuscator | 48239 | 5444 | 5444 | 5444 | 5444 | 5444 | 10000 | 37 | 10 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Ephialtes Confuser | 48240 | 5444 | 5444 | 5444 | 5444 | 5444 | 10000 | 37 | 10 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Lucid Escort | 48241 | 2500 | 2500 | 2500 | 2500 | 2500 | 8000 | 125 | 12 | 12 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Lucid Aegis | 48245 | 3250 | 3250 | 3250 | 3250 | 3250 | 8000 | 71 | 18 | 18 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Lucid Warden | 48246 | 2500 | 2500 | 2500 | 2500 | 2500 | 8000 | 125 | 10 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Lucid Firewatcher | 48247 | 3250 | 3250 | 3250 | 3250 | 3250 | 8000 | 71 | 15 | 15 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 8 | 5000 | 5000 | 0 | > | Lucid Watchman | 48248 | 12000 | 12000 | 12000 | 12000 | 12000 | 12000 | 16 | 24 | 24 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Lucid Upholder | 48249 | 12000 | 12000 | 12000 | 12000 | 12000 | 12000 | 18 | 20 | 20 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Lucid Sentinel | 48250 | 12000 | 12000 | 12000 | 12000 | 12000 | 12000 | 13 | 20 | 20 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 5 | 15 | 12000 | 6000 | 0 | > | Lucid Preserver | 48251 | 2600 | 2600 | 2600 | 2600 | 2600 | 0 | ∞ | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Lucid Deepwatcher | 48252 | 98333 | 98333 | 98333 | 98333 | 98333 | 50000 | 0 | 80 | 80 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 94 | 94 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Harrowing Vila Vedmak | 48255 | 23978 | 20439 | 22705 | 19415 | 21029 | 15000 | 8 | 0 | 46 | 0 | 34 | 68 | 50 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Striking Vila Damavik | 48256 | 6970 | 5826 | 6484 | 5408 | 5995 | 6000 | 101 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 6 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Tangling Vila Damavik | 48257 | 6970 | 5826 | 6484 | 5408 | 5995 | 6000 | 104 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 6 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Anchoring Vila Damavik | 48258 | 6970 | 5826 | 6484 | 5408 | 5995 | 6000 | 104 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 6 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 10000 | > | Shining Vila Damavik | 48259 | 6970 | 5826 | 6484 | 5408 | 5995 | 6000 | 97 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 6 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Blinding Vila Damavik | 48260 | 6970 | 5826 | 6484 | 5408 | 5995 | 6000 | 94 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 6 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Ghosting Vila Damavik | 48261 | 6970 | 5826 | 6484 | 5408 | 5995 | 6000 | 94 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 6 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Sparkneedle Tessella | 47847 | 1900 | 1469 | 1450 | 1406 | 1467 | 5000 | 240 | 25 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Emberneedle Tessella | 47848 | 1650 | 1469 | 1553 | 1406 | 1467 | 5000 | 240 | 0 | 25 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Strikeneedle Tessella | 47849 | 1350 | 1451 | 1583 | 1722 | 1455 | 5000 | 240 | 0 | 0 | 25 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Fieldweaver Tessella | 47850 | 1300 | 1300 | 1300 | 1300 | 1300 | 0 | ∞ | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Snarecaster Tessella | 47851 | 1450 | 1237 | 1300 | 1333 | 1258 | 8000 | 150 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Fogcaster Tessella | 47852 | 1525 | 1276 | 1350 | 1389 | 1301 | 8000 | 100 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Gazedimmer Tessella | 47853 | 1525 | 1276 | 1350 | 1389 | 1301 | 8000 | 100 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Spotlighter Tessella | 47854 | 1525 | 1276 | 1350 | 1389 | 1301 | 8000 | 100 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Blastneedle Tessella | 47855 | 1350 | 1395 | 1583 | 1750 | 1455 | 5000 | 240 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 25 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Sparklance Tessella | 47856 | 3150 | 2238 | 2117 | 1961 | 2207 | 9000 | 133 | 50 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Emberlance Tessella | 47857 | 2650 | 2238 | 2322 | 1961 | 2207 | 9000 | 133 | 0 | 50 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Strikelance Tessella | 47858 | 1900 | 2139 | 2500 | 2822 | 2214 | 9000 | 133 | 0 | 0 | 50 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Blastlance Tessella | 47859 | 1900 | 2083 | 2500 | 2850 | 2214 | 9000 | 133 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 50 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Plateforger Tessella | 47860 | 1300 | 1300 | 1300 | 1300 | 1300 | 0 | ∞ | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Vila Swarmer | 48253 | 550 | 470 | 450 | 450 | 465 | 2500 | 2240 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Sparkgrip Tessera | 48262 | 15750 | 20167 | 20167 | 15750 | 17643 | 2000 | 52 | 200 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Embergrip Tessera | 48263 | 15750 | 20167 | 20167 | 15750 | 17643 | 2000 | 35 | 0 | 200 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Strikegrip Tessera | 48264 | 15750 | 20167 | 20167 | 15750 | 17643 | 2000 | 43 | 0 | 0 | 200 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | > | Blastgrip Tessera | 48265 | 15750 | 20167 | 20167 | 15750 | 17643 | 2000 | 60 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 200 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 12:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/abyssal-frig-and-neuts-t3/236037/9 "2020-05-19T00:33:43Z")
Very helpful, but there is not ship speed, if some also use MWD that could be a big big problem with slow missiles and slower drones also… and kiting would not be an option… I was thinking polarized Garmur perhaps could be an option, but I fyou say they insta warp above you… not good… ---
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