# (Actually) Interesting Ideas for Ending the Amarr-Minmatar Conflict **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [November 28, 2017, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263 "2017-11-28T22:27:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 7:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/541 "2017-12-18T19:55:04Z")
Actually, no. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/542 "2017-12-18T19:56:35Z")
Yeh. Kick it off properly and it’ll end eventually. ---
**Author:** ![Mitara\_Newelle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mitara_newelle/32/384431_2.png) [@Mitara\_Newelle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mitara_Newelle)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/543 "2017-12-18T20:48:48Z")
Seems we can find common ground after all. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 8:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/544 "2017-12-18T20:57:07Z")
That’s the first feasible solution I’ve heard so far. Still waiting for the interesting one. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/545 "2017-12-18T20:58:16Z")
Think of it like the old curse about _interesting_ times, and I think you’ll find it’s the only workable solution that fits. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/546 "2017-12-18T21:20:54Z")
> [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > Still waiting for the interesting one. Kick it off properly using a rubber chicken? ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/547 "2017-12-18T22:50:32Z")
It’s getting bleak again. Don’t make me go full Gallente cheerleader for peace up in here. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/548 "2017-12-18T23:11:09Z")
Remove the stargates between Heimatar/Metropolis and Devoid/Bleak lands. And tell CONCORD to go suck a lemon. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 11:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/549 "2017-12-18T23:21:03Z")
Wow. Someone wants the war to go right through Providence… ah well, not like anyone’d notice. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/550 "2017-12-18T23:29:46Z")
Might want to get that out of the way sharpish then. Providence is on the chopping block for the nth time, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 11:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/551 "2017-12-18T23:54:51Z")
Well, you could go through the Ammatar Mandate, have that be the primary warzone, no ? ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 12:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/552 "2017-12-19T00:10:47Z")
I think we can all agree that Mizzy and Arrendis are not going to be on the debate team for the Republic should negotiations actually commence. Perhapas @Elsebeth_Rhiannon has some insights. Her disappointment with the discussion thus far is apparent. ---
**Author:** ![Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veikitamo_gesakaarin/32/314638_2.png) [@Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veikitamo_Gesakaarin)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 12:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/553 "2017-12-19T00:44:22Z")
> [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > **should** negotiations actually commence The operative word in my view. There’s been a lot of discussion of what should be on the table to negotiate, but hilariously, in over 550 posts no has yet to provide any reasons _why_ they would want to be at the negotiating table in the first place for either side. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 12:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/554 "2017-12-19T00:49:42Z")
Why would the Mandate be the primary warzone? They might be Imperial lapdogs who give fealty to Ardishapur, but they’re also, you know… _obvious_. That’s a front long-prepared for attack on both sides. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 12:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/555 "2017-12-19T00:50:49Z")
You mean other than where Aldrith said (before implying exactly the opposite) that this topic shouldn’t be taken to represent proposals between the Republic and the Empire, but just us capsuleers having a _discussion_? ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 12:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/556 "2017-12-19T00:51:47Z")
> [@Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](#): > > hilariously, in over 550 posts no has yet to provide any reasons why they would want to be at the negotiating table in the first place for either side. Because that wasn’t part of what was asked. Hypothetically, the reason for talks has been established. ---
**Author:** ![Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veikitamo_gesakaarin/32/314638_2.png) [@Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veikitamo_Gesakaarin)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 5:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/557 "2017-12-19T05:31:20Z")
> [@Deitra\_Vess](#): > > Because that wasn’t part of what was asked. Hypothetically, the reason for talks has been established. Well that’s the funny part isn’t it? It’s like a paradox in this thread, the result of discussion in assuming that the talks have taken place is that the talks would not have been established in the first place! ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 5:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/558 "2017-12-19T05:40:06Z")
Actually… ya I do see your point on that. 😅 ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 5:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/559 "2017-12-19T05:41:35Z")
It’s more of an experiment to see if capsuleers can come up with coherent thoughts that do not involve “blow it all up” or “ooh, shiny”. Most are failing miserably. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 6:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/560 "2017-12-19T06:03:48Z")
But explosions are shiny! But really, Aldrith, the big stumbling block here is the trust issue. You say simultaneous emancipation of all slaves would cause economic chaos, and that’s certainly not an unreasonable statement. Staggered emancipation would need a)a reasonable means of determining priority, b)a time-frame that’s long enough to lessen the economic upheaval that would likely hit both economies, while still as short as possible, and c)be accompanied by a cessation of attempts to indoctrinate (ie: Reclaim) those awaiting emancipation until such time as they are in a position to engage voluntarily, or not engage. But all of those hinge on trust. If we can’t trust you, then we can’t be sure the priorities are being fairly assigned. We can’t be sure your time-frame is reasonable. We can’t believe that you’re not continuing the attempts at brainwashing. And I can’t tell you how to overcome that. Because any proposal either side could come up with to build trust… could just be a deception to get our guard down. That’s what _your_ people have wrought: we will likely never trust you. Any gesture, any overture, is a trap. And kindness is a lie, covering for a hidden knife. If there were some way to establish that the Empire and its minions could be trusted, then there might be room to seek common ground. But right now, nothing you can offer isn’t just as likely to be a trap. For all any of us know, you’ve been lying for years about disliking slavery. Isn’t that exactly the kind of ‘long game’ the Amarr are supposed to be good at? Find a way to build trust, or all the discussions in the world fall apart in a cloud of suspicion and paranoia. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263.md?page=27) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263.md?page=29)