# (Actually) Interesting Ideas for Ending the Amarr-Minmatar Conflict **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [November 28, 2017, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263 "2017-11-28T22:27:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 57
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1124 "2018-03-15T17:27:42Z")
Sweet Maker! Why there are so many idiots, who claim I said something I never said and thought something I never though about? Is there a circus in Hek, or someone forgot to lock asylum doors in Rens? ---
**Author:** ![Helt\_Anajkt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/helt_anajkt/32/22974_2.png) [@Helt\_Anajkt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Helt_Anajkt)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1125 "2018-03-15T17:27:54Z")
however the minmatar was/ are/ and will be Slaves, but slaves that fight continously, and they are Warriors for his Freedom, and gain it, and now considered all wellcome in our shinely Gallente empire… this is the reason why we give them support. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1126 "2018-03-15T17:28:51Z")
> [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > who claim I said something I never said > [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > That’s just piracy. Looks like you said it. ---
**Author:** ![Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corraidhin_farsaidh/32/10994_2.png) [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corraidhin_Farsaidh)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1127 "2018-03-15T17:30:01Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Looks like you said it. Perhaps Amarr piracy is OK though? Is there a scripture somewhere that says that? ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1128 "2018-03-15T17:31:09Z")
eradicating a planets ok because of one persons actions, so… ya? ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1129 "2018-03-15T17:31:21Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Looks like you said it. Ancestors choke, I can’t believe you are so dense! Special for our special friends I explain: I said THAT about attacking civlian ships, I didn’t say anything about AMARR in particular. I am sick of your stupidity. I NEVER SAID IT ABOUT AMARR. Arrendiot… Whomever gave you flying license shall be executed for incompetence. With that comprehension skill levels you wouldn’t graduate even kindergarten in the State. ---
**Author:** ![Helt\_Anajkt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/helt_anajkt/32/22974_2.png) [@Helt\_Anajkt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Helt_Anajkt)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1130 "2018-03-15T17:34:17Z")
> [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > I am sick of your stupidity are you caldary ? … o yes you are. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1131 "2018-03-15T17:38:01Z")
> [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > Ancestors choke, I can’t believe you are so dense! > > Special for our special friends I explain: I said THAT about attacking civlian ships, I didn’t say anything about AMARR in particular. No. I did. Specifically: The Imperial Navy attacks independent, civilian transports and colonies in Republic space, well outside the warzones, for the express and singular purpose of taking slaves. Individuals you accept as ‘good’ Minmatar and reliable sources, such as @Deitra_Vess can verify this, I’m sure. Moreover, I’ve said this without insulting you, and without in any way attempting to belittle you. So: what do you call that? ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1132 "2018-03-15T17:39:26Z")
Confirmed. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1133 "2018-03-15T17:40:51Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > No. I did. YOU. DID. Not me. > [@Arrendis](#): > > Moreover, I’ve said this without insulting you, and without in any way attempting to belittle you. So: what do you call that? Claiming I said something I didn’t say is an insult, especially if that contradicts what I was saying in other places or what I believe in. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1134 "2018-03-15T17:47:56Z")
I said that you identified those acts as piracy. Which you did. If they are piracy, then what does that make people who commit them? ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1135 "2018-03-15T17:50:12Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > I said that you identified those acts as piracy. Which you did. If they are piracy, then what does that make people who commit them? But I never said I believed your words. I said that act is just piracy. Go with it to MIO, and tell them that the Navy commits piracy. They will laugh at you, and for a reason. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1136 "2018-03-15T17:51:06Z")
So, then, are you calling Deitra a liar? ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1137 "2018-03-15T17:52:34Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > So, then, are you calling Deitra a liar? No. For Maker’s sake. I am tired of this. If I am calling someone something, that’s you. I am calling you an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1138 "2018-03-15T17:53:19Z")
Piracy vs privateering… ones state sanctioned, still is piracy to the other side. I’m more inclined to take Arrendis’ side on this one for obvious reasons. To me it is piracy. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1139 "2018-03-15T17:55:34Z")
Well, you don’t privateer on _neutral_ vessels. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1140 "2018-03-15T17:56:31Z")
> [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > They will laugh at you, and for a reason. By the way, I agree with you about this. They will. For a reason. That reason is that they’re _already aware of it_. The Imperial Navy knows it’s going on, and have not stopped it. This indicates that they are not opposed to the violation of Republic sovereignty _and_ the Yulai treaties. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1141 "2018-03-15T17:57:04Z")
You do when your contract states you do… say, for taking slaves. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1142 "2018-03-15T17:59:28Z")
Of course you do. Privateering is a means of disrupting shipping. The vessel doesn’t need to be owned by the enemy _military_, it just needs to be owned or operated on behalf of commercial interests within that nation. The intent of ‘legitimate’ privateering is to put economic pressure on your enemy to sue for peace—a peace, it should be noted, that _technically_ already exists outside of the warzones, and which is _not desired_ inside the warzones. Because once again: none of the Big Four actually want to _win_ those wars. They just want them to keep going. That’s why, even when one side or the other completely conquers a warzone, nobody in government pushes the losing side to cede their ‘claim’ to that space. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1143 "2018-03-15T18:37:53Z")
> [@Deitra\_Vess](#): > > You do when your contract states you do… say, for taking slaves. Well, in here nobody really privateers for… taking slaves. Because when you do - it won’t matter if you are a pirate, a civilian, a neutral, a soldier, a citizen, a privateer, or an official - you will be treated the same. As a criminal. There is no such paper that would allow to take slaves in the State, even if they are enemies of the State. The thing with the Empire - we are not enemies. We respect their laws about slavery in their territory, they respect our laws in our territory. With the Republic the situation is different: there is the war. And as much as their military force allows, they enforce their law on Republic territory where their military presence is strong enough for that: for example, area of local operation (raid). However, taking non-combatants (and not criminals) as slaves is against their own laws. That is what I do know. No, really, if that would be allowed in their laws, they would quickly enslave whole population of all colonies in occupied systems in warzone. And since they did control the whole warzone at one point of time, with that assumption all Minmatar systems now would be completely empty, because Imperials would enslave everyone. Well, of course not completely empty - since there are resources and industrial power that have to be used and manned up, but most of civilian population would be “harvested” into the Empire. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263.md?page=56) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263.md?page=58)