# (Actually) Interesting Ideas for Ending the Amarr-Minmatar Conflict **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [November 28, 2017, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263 "2017-11-28T22:27:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 59
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1164 "2018-03-17T17:36:42Z")
> [@The\_Golden\_Serpent](#): > > That is how the conflict will end. There will be no peace as long as the godless exist. When this conflict is over, another will begin. There will be war until the end of the time God has allotted for us to achieve his Perfection. Here you are, Diana. This is the true face of the Empire. They may not all say it, but even @Aldrith_Shutaq, starting a thread about ‘peace’, can’t deny that this is the ultimate strategy of the Empire… for _all_ of us. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1165 "2018-03-17T17:54:09Z")
Sure. Peacefully over thousands of years and leading by example. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1166 "2018-03-17T18:14:32Z")
Not speaking up over your _less than peaceful,_ kin is not that good of an example to set, is it? 😏 ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1167 "2018-03-17T18:33:11Z")
Unless that’s not working, and nobody will convert. After all, that’d be failing your divine mandate, wouldn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1168 "2018-03-17T19:38:07Z")
> [@Deitra\_Vess](#): > > Not speaking up over your less than peaceful, kin is not that good of an example to set, is it? I do not need to because God will make that decision and I can see the signs are leading to my preferred path. > [@Arrendis](#): > > Unless that’s not working, and nobody will convert. After all, that’d be failing your divine mandate, wouldn’t it? How many times do I have to repeat myself? Conquest failed. Peace can and will be given its chance. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1169 "2018-03-17T20:56:27Z")
> [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > I do not need to because God will make that decision and I can see the signs are leading to my preferred path Fair enough, and if your referring to mutually acceptable peace i hope you are correct. ---
**Author:** ![Arnulf\_Ogunkoya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arnulf_ogunkoya/32/380841_2.png) [@Arnulf\_Ogunkoya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arnulf_Ogunkoya)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1170 "2018-03-17T23:41:14Z")
> [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > > [@Arnulf\_Ogunkoya](#): > > > > But the first line attack craft tend to be Caldari Navy. > > Mr. Ogunkoya, do you realize that even if I temporarily drop the militia I won’t drop my loyalty to Caldari State and Caldari Navy, and that I will immediately turn against you if you will have to fight Caldari Navy? Well. If you get close enough they will most likely happily shoot at you. That’s what happened to Merdaneth when he tried to communicate with the Imperials I encountered with him in tow. Happily for him he was in an interceptor at the time. I will be operating in Republic space and will not fire unless fired on, good enough? I guarantee you that I’ll still have to kill them though. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1171 "2018-03-17T23:49:14Z")
If it helps I’ll come along. as a Matari under StaPro contract maybe it’ll be some assurance? Admittedly I’d probably be shooting with Arnulf. Blood before contract and all. Rest assured I am under contract obligation to defend you, Strike Commander. ---
**Author:** ![Pieter\_Tuulinen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pieter_tuulinen/32/155371_2.png) [@Pieter\_Tuulinen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pieter_Tuulinen)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 3:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1172 "2018-03-18T03:54:46Z")
At least two racks, eh Tyrel? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 6:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1173 "2018-03-18T06:10:22Z")
> [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > Conquest at gunpoint failed. Conquest by con artists can and will be given its chance. Fixed that for ya. ---
**Author:** ![Tyrel\_Toov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyrel_toov/32/387953_2.png) [@Tyrel\_Toov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tyrel_Toov)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 5:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1174 "2018-03-20T05:16:32Z")
> [@Pieter\_Tuulinen](#): > > At least two racks, eh Tyrel? Whatever do you mean? I just stirred up Kim to watch her froth at the mouth a bit. Always a good time. ---
**Author:** ![Helt\_Anajkt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/helt_anajkt/32/22974_2.png) [@Helt\_Anajkt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Helt_Anajkt)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1175 "2018-03-20T22:56:01Z")
the “shadow” can help you to gain the conflic ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 11:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1176 "2018-03-20T23:15:07Z")
Is that really necessary? Arrendis, Miz, Anabella, Makoto, ect do a perfectly fine job doing that. She needs to breathe in order to froth, quit smothering her. Anyways… ---
**Author:** ![Tyrel\_Toov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyrel_toov/32/387953_2.png) [@Tyrel\_Toov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tyrel_Toov)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 12:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1177 "2018-03-21T00:50:04Z")
So you’re saying that if we keep it up, she’ll suffer from asphyxiation? Hmmmm ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 1:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1178 "2018-03-21T01:20:35Z")
Just… wow. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Golden\_Serpent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_golden_serpent/32/79734_2.png) [@The\_Golden\_Serpent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Golden_Serpent)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1179 "2018-03-23T17:09:06Z")
Diana Kim is not godless she has consistently stated that she is chaste, moral and does not tolerate godlessness. She kills our enemies in droves. Most Caldari are like that, which is why we are allies with them. Do you know, my family has a popular bar, and its full of 25% Caldari visitors most always. They do not cause religious troubles. God will decide what is best for them in the end, not the Amarr empire, except for the Empress, since her word is the word of the Lord, your God, whom most of you have forgotten, forsaken and have been unfaithful to completely. Those of you who have no morals will not be forgiven when you die the final death. You will be destroyed, utterly. From the very beginning of our relationship with the Caldari we have been friendly with them, the Empire did not reclaim them through enslavement, because they were not filthy savages like the people on many planets we did reclaim in that way. If you are a civilization which is àn abomination in the eyes of the Lord and the Theology Council, then you will be subjected to our laser guns, if not, then, you just look to see what happens with the Caldari, we are very good friends. Many Caldari have converted officially. It changes nothing about Caldari life or culture because the Caldari are not godless immoral savages like the Republicans. All that convertng means is that at your final death you will be in Gods favor, it doesn’t make them not Caldari. Even we Khanid have not become True Amarr and we were the first to be reclaimed. Yet, anyone can see we have a very unique culture. Religion is not a culture, its natural law. If one breaks those laws, the Lord will punish them. ---
**Author:** ![Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corraidhin_farsaidh/32/10994_2.png) [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corraidhin_Farsaidh)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1180 "2018-03-23T17:13:26Z")
> [@The\_Golden\_Serpent](#): > > Diana Kim is not godless she has consistently stated that she is chaste, moral and does not tolerate godlessness So you’re fine with murderous psychopaths as long as they are ‘chaste and moral’ (by your definition of course)? Why am I not surprised… ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1181 "2018-03-23T18:09:23Z")
> [@The\_Golden\_Serpent](#): > > your God, whom most of you have forgotten, forsaken and have been unfaithful to completely. Those of you who have no morals will not be forgiven when you die the final death. You will be destroyed, utterly. Then leave us to our destruction and stay on your side of the border. We **DO NOT WANT** your god. As if a war of emancipation and founding of a nation opposed to him was not enough of an indication we would rather remain _unforgiven_ by your worthless god. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 10:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1182 "2018-03-26T22:24:40Z")
> [@The\_Golden\_Serpent](#): > > Do you know, my family has a popular bar, and its full of 25% Caldari visitors most always. They do not cause religious troubles. Do you know, popular bars are almost _never_ the site of ‘religious troubles’ by anyone? Here’s a fun stat for you! 99.999% of the Pator system has never had an act of violence take place within 100km. Granted, this is because _any_ 5,000,000km-to-a-side cube is less than 0.00001% of the total volume of the Pator system, but it’s still true! Honestly, meaningless nonsense remains meaningless, no matter how much you try to dress it up. > [@The\_Golden\_Serpent](#): > > Religion is not a culture, its natural law. If Religion were natural law, you wouldn’t need to _teach it to your children_. They don’t need to be _taught_ about gravity to avoid falling off a planet, do they? ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1183 "2018-03-30T10:08:39Z")
> [@The\_Golden\_Serpent](#): > > Diana Kim is not godless she has consistently stated that she is chaste, moral and does not tolerate godlessness. Thank you for your good words, ma’am, but I am afraid they are incorrect. And as a Caldari Officer, I simply can’t allow incorrect claims about me, even if they represent me in a positive light. First of all, I am, technically, godless. On one hand, I do believe in the existence of all the Gods of our cluster, probably in a way different way than true believers do. But on the other hand, I follow no religion, only philosophical practices like Kutuoto Miru. There is, however, a warm spot in my heart for myths of Wayism, and I still can be considered a follower of the Way, though lately, I’ve been shifting to more pragmatic understanding of the Universe. Really nothing in my life is directly related to Amarr Faith. Of course, I do follow Amarr traditions and rituals when I visit the Empire (provided they aren’t unacceptable for Caldari morals), but I do them not because I do believe, but because it is a polite and respectful way to behave in foreign societies. “When in Amarr, do as Amarr,” - and I always follow this formula, I am not a disrespectful scum like a gallentean tourist. My morality… well, my morality is based on Raata warlord code of honor. And while my actions are moral from even modern common Caldari point of view, I am afraid that people from other cultures (for example, Empire) might find many of my actions amoral from their point of view. Being moral is very relative. For example, I am really neutral in regard to civilian deaths, and bring it only as an attack vector against those, who might care. For us, destroying an objective disregarding civilian lives will be way more moral course of actions, while in other cultures they will prefer save civilians, but fail the objective or even violate the order. Another example, which I heard some people consider amoral - for us in a honorable combat you never ask opponent to “prepare to defend himself”. You can strike from their back or before they even grab the weapon, and if they will lose like that - it will be completely their fault, while you show yourself as honorable and merited fighter, able to outmaneuver your opponent, to be faster, stronger and have better reaction. In other cultures they will call us amoral, demanding to wait while enemy will “prepare to defense”. And finally, about tolerance of godlessness… I probably have a reputation of a highly intolerant person, and, probably, one of the most famous Caldari who defends the Empire in debates, standing on the Imperial side. But I assure you, it has nothing to do with godlessness. In the space, I defend the Empire because we are allies, and because it is my duty to do so. In the debates, I defend the Empire not against godlessness, but against injustice, against blind hatred, against lies, misconceptions and straightforward bullying. In our culture, we have a belief that we shouldn’t tell people how to live their lives, and we shouldn’t let others tell how to live ours. When I come in defense of the Empire, in majority of cases it is against scum from Federation and Republic, who are telling what the Empire should change in their internal policies. Internal policies shall be concern of the entity itself, and nobody else. But such external policies like Federation and Republic display, for example, against the Empire, and again, as example, against the slavery that the Empire uses, these external policies must be shunned, stopped and fought against, by any means necessary. But anyway, please excuse me for disappointing you, I am not really that good person… well, from the Amarr point of view. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263.md?page=58) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263.md?page=60)