# (Actually) Interesting Ideas for Ending the Amarr-Minmatar Conflict **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [November 28, 2017, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263 "2017-11-28T22:27:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 69
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1365 "2018-04-15T17:21:21Z")
> [@Samira\_Kernher](#): > > This is not correct. > > The majority of enslaved Minmatar in the Empire are the descendants of the conquering of the Minmatar people over 700 years ago. The Minmatar were defeated early but the enslavement itself took place over decades and centuries. The emancipation of 9th generation and above only applied to those descended from people enslaved by the first raids. Not the subsequent ones, which took place later. > > Yes, there are some Minmatar descended from free Amarr citizens convicted of crime and sentenced by the courts to slavery. But they are a rare few, not the majority. Thank you for the correction, Ms. Kernher, and please excuse me for the incorrect assumption. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1366 "2018-04-15T17:22:39Z")
You’re conflating a very much free-form and pragmatical spirituality - free-form to the point of the religious climate of the tribes being the strangest alien jungle you can imagine, in a constant and perpetual chaos as growing beliefs and religions clash, intermingle with and consume each other and perpetually developing new and strange growths - with a deadlocked dogma that gets slowly but surely rewritten by a central authority using it to maintain their own superiority and control over the population. A dogma with one unchanging core to it: The Reclaiming. These aren’t exactly compatible, in any way, shape or form. We covered quite early in this thread that there is no peace to be had. The conditions are unacceptable for both sides. You lot won’t let go of the reclaiming, and our hearts have ‘never again’ carved into them. Let me know when either of the two changes, but until that happens there is no path forwards that isn’t leading to war. ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1367 "2018-04-15T17:33:32Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > But please, feel free to take another crack at scathing wit before Sami gets done yelling at me (HI, SAMI!). You really need to learn how to let go. It’s absurd that this thread is still in the top 5. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1368 "2018-04-15T17:48:43Z")
Well … it seems like a few possibly constructive things have been said recently though. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1369 "2018-04-15T17:51:23Z")
I maintain that someone should report the subject line of this topic to trade authorities for false advertisement. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1370 "2018-04-15T17:59:28Z")
> [@Samira\_Kernher](#): > > You really need to learn how to let go. I said 500 or so posts ago that I was shooting for 2000. I set a goal, so I’m working toward that goal. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1371 "2018-04-15T18:14:19Z")
> [@Samira\_Kernher](#): > > How the hell is this thread still going? By the sheer force of my faith in humanity. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1372 "2018-04-15T18:18:25Z")
> [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > By the sheer force of my faith in humanity. I am not your faith in humanity! ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 8:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1373 "2018-04-15T20:53:32Z")
Yes you are. Why else are you persisting? You clearly want this to happen. When you see the warzone, you imagine it turning into hisec with thriving colonies, trade and migration between the borders unhindered by distrust or violence. When you see loyalists arguing on the IGS, you imagine them fondly talking about their daily lives with one another like old friends. When you sleep, you dream of Amarr and Minmatar children frolicking together in flowered fields whilst their parents watch in mutual respect and safety. But 'lo… you turn from the idyllic scene, realizing you sit at a finely dressed table, laden with a bountiful picnic for this perfect sunny day. A plate stacked with roasted blackfowl, bowls of fresh fruit, and mountains of fluffy, buttery rolls. And there I am, smiling contentedly at you. And then there’s Mitara, bringing a freshly baked Athran apple pie. You scream and draw your pistol, but it slips from your hand because it’s slick with grease from the delicious blackfowl you’ve been eating. It falls to the ground and misfires - straight into the air - where the round explodes into a full fireworks display. It’s suddenly night, and the children are awestruck by the glorious sight. I smile again as you leap from the table, and when I mouth the words “I told you so,” you awaken in a cold sweat, confused and panicked. Yup. That’s exactly how it goes. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 9:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1374 "2018-04-15T21:00:35Z")
> [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > Yes you are. Why else are you persisting? You clearly want this to happen. > [@Arrendis](#): > > I said 500 or so posts ago that I was shooting for 2000. I set a goal, so I’m working toward that goal. That’s why. > [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > When you see the warzone, you imagine it turning into hisec with thriving colonies, trade and migration between the borders unhindered by distrust or violence. Eh, I tend more to look toward that sort of development coming in null. At least our wars _stop_. Or… you know… pause. And we focus entirely on one another and not on say, planetary infrastructure. > [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > you awaken in a cold sweat, confused and panicked. Ok, I’ll grant you, that _is_ a terrifying scenario you paint. I really don’t like blackfowl. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1375 "2018-04-15T21:03:05Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Eh, I tend more to look toward that sort of development coming in null. At least our wars stop. Or… you know… pause. And we focus entirely on one another and not on say, planetary infrastructure. This is a bigger joke than my post. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1376 "2018-04-15T21:21:15Z")
Now that’s just _mean_. Just because we’re less built-up _right now_, that doesn’t mean we’re less likely to find a peaceful equilibrium out here than the warzones are. Like I said, we can win and lose our conflicts. And sure, Customs Offices get hit, but colonial buildings don’t. Besides, have you looked at the latest production numbers? ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1377 "2018-04-15T22:28:59Z")
I have a similar dream to that, only it ends with a laser (sometimes artillary shells occasionally) coming from the sky… ---
**Author:** ![The\_Golden\_Serpent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_golden_serpent/32/79734_2.png) [@The\_Golden\_Serpent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Golden_Serpent)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1378 "2018-04-15T22:59:47Z")
Haha! Very witty, Lord Shutaq. ---
**Author:** ![Anabella\_Rella](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anabella_rella/32/515671_2.png) [@Anabella\_Rella](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anabella_Rella)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 2:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1379 "2018-04-17T02:16:48Z")
Oh, ladies and gentlemen! Now you have another example of typical Caldari extremist and why you don’t really should waste time on negotiations. That’s what they say when they are cornered by facts. Load your autocannons, your artillery and make sure there will be no people like Kim-baka left alive. Good luck! (See what I did there Kimmy? You’re welcome.) ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1380 "2018-04-17T11:12:11Z")
Amusing seeing you try to copy what I said - but, unfortunately, your words are just empty vibrations in the air. I build my replies based on facts (and that’s how I annoy such incompetent screamers like you), and you - just on your rabid hatred. I am pretty sure you didn’t even try to understand majority of what I’ve been speaking, not even checking facts - as it was expected, just seeing in me enemy to practise your minmatar yelling skills at. And speaking about facts, last time I saw you on grid you ran away from Caldari superiority like a typical minmatar coward. Well, come here if you’ll dare, it would be amusing if I’ll capture you alive, maybe some vitoc shots will make you into a semblance of a human being. And if not, well, at least that will stop you from shouting hateful and ignorant nonsense on forums. ---
**Author:** ![Tyrel\_Toov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyrel_toov/32/387953_2.png) [@Tyrel\_Toov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tyrel_Toov)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1381 "2018-04-17T18:22:39Z")
> [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > I build my replies based on facts Skewed, biased facts viewed from an ultra-nationalist point of view so twisted that nobody else in the cluster can truly comprehend it… but sure, facts… ---
**Author:** ![Rafal\_Vausienne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rafal_vausienne/32/64411_2.png) [@Rafal\_Vausienne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rafal_Vausienne)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1382 "2018-04-17T18:51:02Z")
> [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > I hope you can do better. If you can’t, you might have some trouble improving your standing among people who don’t already agree with you about almost everything. Miss Jenneth, From the outset here, it has become apparent to me that regardless of what I might say, others will as they already have, try to construct out of me an effigy and strawman they can set alight in the pursuit of their own narratives. There is to be no discussion here, there is no seeking to view the other parties as human beings – there is only the harangue of others. Do I have a view on the Caldari, the Minmatar, or the Amarr? Of course, I do, and I remain more than open to discuss honestly and openly with such baseliners in the pursuit of further knowledge and insight which I can only hope will gain me a better perspective on such cultures and societies. However, so far as I have ascertained, talk in good faith is not something capsuleers desire. If I am going to be stereotyped regardless, just to fit whatever narrative capsuleers have of the Federation or Gallentean society resulting from their perfervid ignorance, then they should have no complaints if I play the part to extract my own measure of satisfaction. Because as far as I’m concerned, capsuleers here seem to exist in some state of gross cognitive dissonance when it regards the Federation. A case in point? Here many try their hardest to on the one hand imply how weak the Federation is, such as saying it is ruled by unruly mobs, or is decadent and hedonistic, yet on the other hand rail against how much of a threat the Federation is, how imperialistic its culture and objectives remain. Now taken to a logical conclusion, what capsuleers are saying is thus: “The Federation is weak and a threat to our societies.” Now that to me is just the kind of absurdity capsuleers seem all too willing to peddle as “truth”. Honestly, how is the Federation supposed to be undertaking campaigns of cultural imperialism as some accuse it of, if in the same breath those same accusers imply it of being so weak, and so ineffectual that it could not carry out such a campaign? How can the Federation “oppress” anyone if it does not have the strength or power to oppress anyone? You call me arrogant? The State was arrogant when it thought it could invade the Federation in Luminaire. The Empire was arrogant when it thought could invade the Federation in Ratilose. The Republic was arrogant when it thought it could invade the Federation in Colelie. Their arrogance was all the same, that the Federation was weak and ineffectual, that Gallenteans are pushovers, yet it was their fleets and not the Federation’s that were kicked right back to their borders like dogs with their tails stuck between their legs. If capsuleer pundits here on IGS want to live in their delusional fantasy lands as regards the Federation, then that is their own prerogative, but if their own arrogance leads them to want to make an enemy out of those in the Federation, then they should not complain when it is repaid in kind. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1383 "2018-04-17T18:56:29Z")
Just ignore her. Really, Tyrel, it’s the only sane way to deal with her. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263/1384 "2018-04-17T19:00:31Z")
> [@Rafal\_Vausienne](#): > > Here many try their hardest to on the one hand imply how weak the Federation is, such as saying it is ruled by unruly mobs, or is decadent and hedonistic, yet on the other hand rail against how much of a threat the Federation is, how imperialistic its culture and objectives remain. Now taken to a logical conclusion, what capsuleers are saying is thus: > > “The Federation is weak and a threat to our societies.” That you _infer_ an assertion of weakness in my use of the term ‘unruly mob’ is… _interesting_. Have you ever been on the receiving end of an unruly mob? ‘Weak’ is _hardly_ the adjective I’d use for them. ‘Terrifying’ maybe, or ‘easily fomented to violence’, but never ‘weak’. An unruly mob is like a lake… it may look placid, but give it the right push… a surge here, or a collapsed bank there… and it will _destroy_ everything in its path, unyielding, unstoppable, until its energy is spent. That’s hardly ‘weak’. > [@Rafal\_Vausienne](#): > > The Republic was arrogant when it thought it could invade the Federation in Colelie. That was not an invasion. It was an _incursion_. And no, it was not born of arrogance, but of rage and a lack of restraining leadership. It was born of, in that moment, _being an unruly mob_, a situation borne of grief, of anger, of a need to _act_ and a lack of guidance in how to do so. Was it our most diplomatic moment? Uhhhhhmmm… no. Not even close. But it also wasn’t _arrogance_. It wasn’t a sense of ‘we are better than you, therefore we will do this’. It was borne of utter, incoherent, ragged _pain_. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263.md?page=68) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/actually-interesting-ideas-for-ending-the-amarr-minmatar-conflict/42263.md?page=70)