# Additional Effects of Great Escape **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 22, 2021, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/additional-effects-of-great-escape/312956 "2021-05-22T12:55:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2021, 10:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/additional-effects-of-great-escape/312956/41 "2021-05-22T22:39:35Z")
And the people doing exploration sites, the people actually exploring for the fun of it, the smaller people trying to bring their stuff from one place to another, and so on. ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2021, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/additional-effects-of-great-escape/312956/42 "2021-05-22T22:42:04Z")
Says the year old people who worked their asses off to get to the point where they could do so only to have all that work shoved back in their face. ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2021, 10:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/additional-effects-of-great-escape/312956/44 "2021-05-22T22:44:41Z")
That was odd, my post happened twice… ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2021, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/additional-effects-of-great-escape/312956/45 "2021-05-22T22:46:14Z")
By how much? I don’t need exact numbers, just an idea ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2021, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/additional-effects-of-great-escape/312956/46 "2021-05-22T22:49:37Z")
> [@Minna\_Kawasaki](#): > > You are forcing people into hegemonic entities like Goons and snuff for safety and protection. They might be trying to do that, but in at least my case they will fail utterly. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2021, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/additional-effects-of-great-escape/312956/47 "2021-05-22T23:33:18Z")
Peak users was always over 30k leading up to the change. Since the change, it is barely reaching 30k, even on Saturday. It is hard to tell if there is a downward trend. We maybe have 2k fewer people now. ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2021, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/additional-effects-of-great-escape/312956/48 "2021-05-22T23:43:20Z")
Thanks, I almost never notice that stuff unless the launcher is being obnoxious. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2021, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/additional-effects-of-great-escape/312956/49 "2021-05-23T10:14:12Z")
Ape Escape \> Great Escape ---
**Author:** ![Elenahina](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elenahina/32/307923_2.png) [@Elenahina](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elenahina)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2021, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/additional-effects-of-great-escape/312956/50 "2021-05-23T12:58:58Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > Trust me I doubt Snuff cares very much about your T1 fit Venture. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/d/2/bd2c8505f5d29fc8dfa1887e4dd13ca504a7d7f8.jpeg) Snuff will hotdrop supers on a shuttle if they get bored enough, just because they can. > [@Xuixien](#): > > Really? Cuz, uh, those groups are whining about capital prices. This and how hard it is to build one now, tbh. The production map for capitals is…just ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![May\_Q\_Cry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/may_q_cry/32/370362_2.png) [@May\_Q\_Cry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/May_Q_Cry)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2021, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/additional-effects-of-great-escape/312956/51 "2021-05-23T13:48:02Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > Really? Is that why Procurers got a huge EHP buff, why were given Ventures and their Tech2 variants, Porpoises, and why Rorquals were buffed beyond all imagination? Don’t worry CCP\_Rattati will nerf the ■■■■ out of mining ships real soon and change all of this along with making Orcas and Rorquals unable to mine anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Hadrian\_Tobran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hadrian_tobran/32/373681_2.png) [@Hadrian\_Tobran](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hadrian_Tobran)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2021, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/additional-effects-of-great-escape/312956/52 "2021-05-23T13:55:01Z")
These changes are only hurting the game. The industry changes are the most egregious and it’s really a shame that it’s 3 to 4x the price to build many different ships. I don’t know who thought up these changes but I hope they get fired. The changes to warp stabs is utter insanity. People work for weeks to afford a nice shiny new (3x the cost now don’t forget) ship and then get insta ■■■■■■ by some nerd with no life that sits on a gate with his mouth breathing friends because stabs are useless now. Should have just put the dang drone bandwidth nerf on em and let it at that. This whole “active gameplay though!” fallacy they are spouting is ■■■■■■■■ too. How active is sitting on a gate with a bubble and watching Netflix? You can’t force pvp. Those who don’t want to never will. You can nudge them into it all you want but when these people lose the ability to avoid you degenerates and your play style overwhelms theirs they’re just going to quit. That’s why the login numbers are down. “But eve is a pvp game though!” The ones who constantly scream this are the most annoying of all. ---
**Author:** ![Algathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/algathas/32/397229_2.png) [@Algathas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Algathas)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2021, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/additional-effects-of-great-escape/312956/53 "2021-05-23T14:02:47Z")
> [@Hadrian\_Tobran](#): > > insta ■■■■■■ by some nerd > [@Hadrian\_Tobran](#): > > sitting on a gate with a bubble If you were getting insta anything by some nerd the wcs wouldn’t have saved you anyway. In null wcs were always useless because of bubbles but people fit them anyway and died anyway. In null it has always been that pretty much any other module would be better in that slot than wcs. If you were using them then you were just nerfing yourself unnecessarily. I think I reprocessed something like 400 wcs a couple months ago all gotten from killing pilots that thought they would save them. ---
**Author:** ![Hadrian\_Tobran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hadrian_tobran/32/373681_2.png) [@Hadrian\_Tobran](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hadrian_Tobran)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2021, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/additional-effects-of-great-escape/312956/54 "2021-05-23T14:07:05Z")
They would have in my travel fit tengu. Only ever lost one since starting in 2014 and that was all my fault. A little bit of blame goes to these meliminal or whatever storms that stop cloaking. Now I have to fit a stupid a module that also needs to ■■■■ back off to be nullified. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2021, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/additional-effects-of-great-escape/312956/55 "2021-05-23T14:46:08Z")
> [@Hadrian\_Tobran](#): > > they’re just going to quit Let’s hope so! > [@Hadrian\_Tobran](#): > > Only ever lost one since starting in 2014 and that was all my fault. This is the reason they were changed. ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2021, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/additional-effects-of-great-escape/312956/56 "2021-05-23T15:41:56Z")
I thought snuff quit the game O\_o did they reincarnate? ---
**Author:** ![Natalie\_Patrovita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natalie_patrovita/32/253528_2.png) [@Natalie\_Patrovita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natalie_Patrovita)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2021, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/additional-effects-of-great-escape/312956/57 "2021-05-23T16:06:40Z")
> [@Minna\_Kawasaki](#): > > You get 25 million isk and 40 million in salvage to do the mid tier wh sites. You’re talking about a 4 - 12 months character making that much in Pochven. That good income by that standard. EVE isn’t the kind of game that will let you into large-scale manufacturing as fast as you wish. You’re talking about manufacturing BF **Battleship** , bro! Not your little ganking Destroyer! 4 - 12 months characters should not be past manufacturing Destroyers or at most Cruisers. Then you have to fly them, too. Or do you just sell them and move to the next one? Is your character strictly Industry? What do you like to do most in the game? As solo player you have to specialize combined with Defence capabilities. The balance between those two given by CCP is not such that you may do both for a character that young. Thee years is, in my opinion, barely enough. Unless you want to stick to Hisec and get bored to DEATH. ---
**Author:** ![Algathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/algathas/32/397229_2.png) [@Algathas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Algathas)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2021, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/additional-effects-of-great-escape/312956/58 "2021-05-23T16:10:57Z")
> [@Natalie\_Patrovita](#): > > EVE isn’t the kind of game that will let you into large-scale manufacturing as fast as you wish. Skill injectors would like a word with you. I have seen 1 day old carrier pilots. ---
**Author:** ![Elenahina](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elenahina/32/307923_2.png) [@Elenahina](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elenahina)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2021, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/additional-effects-of-great-escape/312956/59 "2021-05-23T17:10:32Z")
Unless they fail cascaded in the last couple of weeks and no one noticed, then no, they’re still running large swathes of lowsec. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2021, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/additional-effects-of-great-escape/312956/60 "2021-05-23T20:44:01Z")
> [@Elenahina](#): > > Snuff will hotdrop supers on a shuttle if they get bored enough, just because they can. Show me a killmail. > [@May\_Q\_Cry](#): > > change all of this along with making Orcas and Rorquals unable to mine anymore. Good. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 5:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/additional-effects-of-great-escape/312956/61 "2021-05-24T05:52:35Z")
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