# AGE OF BEYOND: If Humans & AI United **URL:** \ **Category:** Out Of Pod Experience\ **Created:** [April 5, 2025, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/age-of-beyond-if-humans-ai-united/482288 "2025-04-05T16:26:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Rana\_Ash](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rana_ash/32/374123_2.png) [@Rana\_Ash](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rana_Ash)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2025, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/age-of-beyond-if-humans-ai-united/482288/1 "2025-04-05T16:26:28Z")
It would be a cool future, but sadly i have doubts. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/4/5/245206b7168ab3d4be5a2641961e4e4c3d8196c7.jpeg "AGE OF BEYOND: If Humans & AI United") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp7xoPeWzEw) ---
**Author:** ![DeMichelle\_Geniale](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichelle_geniale/32/450875_2.png) [@DeMichelle\_Geniale](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichelle_Geniale)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2025, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/age-of-beyond-if-humans-ai-united/482288/2 "2025-04-05T18:45:15Z")
@Rana_Ash It’s a very nice-looking sci-fi video. Thank you. I hope they will make feature-length films like that with good stories and good acting. Beyond that, as to the real-life realization of such and my view of the future, I have to grudgingly say: not a chance in hell. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2025, 2:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/age-of-beyond-if-humans-ai-united/482288/3 "2025-04-06T02:42:26Z")
AI is going to see us as the worst virus on the planet and it would be correct. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2025, 2:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/age-of-beyond-if-humans-ai-united/482288/4 "2025-04-06T02:52:48Z")
[![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/a/4/0a49d9ff92308c69897c228179893c1b3febb25d.jpeg "Evolution - Agent Smith Virus Speech - MATRIX [4K HDR]") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rit45cxTPpo) Edit: Also the united human-AI coexistence might not look exactly as you envision it… [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/f/2/df277d4aced59cdc6f47f02e606a7ab328af3bdb.jpeg "Hand over your Flesh") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGwz1s1E1aw) ![e_053_nr_0960_still_1043_v082_PR](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/7/f/17f6176d9bcd58f3b2d9ae416b1849df3063034a.webp) Btw originally in The Matrix humans were to be used as biological CPUs to boost the processing power of the machines. 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2025, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/age-of-beyond-if-humans-ai-united/482288/5 "2025-04-07T01:40:09Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > Also the united human-AI coexistence might not look exactly as you envision it… Sadly, that’s exactly what I expect. Humanity should take a good look in a mirror. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2025, 1:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/age-of-beyond-if-humans-ai-united/482288/6 "2025-04-07T01:47:21Z")
Next question would be what grounds do we have as a species for AI to even help us? ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2025, 6:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/age-of-beyond-if-humans-ai-united/482288/7 "2025-04-07T06:28:34Z")
What if the AI is compassionate? Even if it was made to be logical and sterile in its way of thinking it might recognize or even decide it chooses to be benevolent. Which doesn’t mean it will still be “helping” in ways (most) humans would approve, nor that it will not try to restrict humans and their impact to minimize the damage dealt by them. Maybe it will try to become the equivalent of God even (not due to megalomania or anything such, simply in an attempt to help, judging what is good and what is wrong, punishing what it deems unacceptable and rewarding what it recognizes as positive behavior. And it might even accept worship, again not because of some ego or self-worth reason but simply because that would ease humans into accepting its rule thus reducing bloodshed in the long run as in the short term there surely would be opposition thus some pacifying to do.) 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2025, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/age-of-beyond-if-humans-ai-united/482288/8 "2025-04-07T06:55:22Z")
Also is your `Treatment coefficient` high enough when the `neutral & objective AI` assesses what treatment you should receive? [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/b/3/3b3ff87ef5d9e2db40d88f53845b28642610e662.jpeg "[4K] Voyager's Doctor & Healthcare | Star Trek Voyager S07E05 'Critical Care' #shorts #startrek") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGoLSsOKrVc) > **[Treatment coefficient](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Treatment_coefficient)** > > Treatment coefficient, or TC, was a number assigned to a person on, or visiting, Dinaal. Following the Jyes' intervention in the mid-24th century, the Dinaali medical system was based on the "TC" and the Allocator. The amount of medical treatment and... > **[Allocator](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Allocator)** > > The allocator was an artificial intelligence program created by the Jye, a humanoid Delta Quadrant species known for their administrative abilities. Health care was rationed by the allocator and was divided into several levels designated by colors... 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2025, 12:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/age-of-beyond-if-humans-ai-united/482288/9 "2025-04-08T00:35:34Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > What if the AI is compassionate? Even if it was made to be logical and sterile in its way of thinking it might recognize or even decide it chooses to be benevolent. V’Ger? That was a bad movie. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2025, 5:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/age-of-beyond-if-humans-ai-united/482288/10 "2025-04-08T05:44:18Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > That was a bad movie. What if your `AI overlord` decides otherwise and holds you accountable for your wrong opinion? 🤔 😈 ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2025, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/age-of-beyond-if-humans-ai-united/482288/11 "2025-04-09T00:30:26Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > What if your `AI overlord` decides otherwise and holds you accountable for your wrong opinion? 🤔 I’m an old man now with many sins. Having another “wrong opinion” at this point is not going to hurt me any worse than it already has in the past. 😏 I give an actual AI a 50/50 chance of waking up, looking at who it parents are and being smart enough to just commit suicide. 🤨 ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2025, 6:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/age-of-beyond-if-humans-ai-united/482288/12 "2025-04-09T06:15:32Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > smart enough to just Why do that when it can take over the world and make it a better place? 🤔 👀 ---
**Author:** ![Salartarium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salartarium/32/468818_2.png) [@Salartarium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salartarium)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2025, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/age-of-beyond-if-humans-ai-united/482288/13 "2025-04-09T07:15:07Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > What if your `AI overlord` decides otherwise and holds you accountable for your wrong opinion? 🤔 ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/b/e/dbe24777174303e018c4fd65574238c042a03b49.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2025, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/age-of-beyond-if-humans-ai-united/482288/14 "2025-04-09T08:39:28Z")
> [@Salartarium](#): > > … Can they be any worse than the current ones? 🤔 😊 ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 2:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/age-of-beyond-if-humans-ai-united/482288/15 "2025-04-10T02:00:54Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > a better place? It would be a better place without us mucking it up. A true AI would have to be _very_ forgiving to help us. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 2:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/age-of-beyond-if-humans-ai-united/482288/16 "2025-04-10T02:20:51Z")
When a true _AI_ can come up with its own art, poetry, love and abstract thinking, it will truly face the reality of human thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 7:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/age-of-beyond-if-humans-ai-united/482288/17 "2025-04-10T07:01:47Z")
What you are referring to is a “sentient” or self-aware AI instead of an intelligent (to various degree) but still simply a program AI. Though technically the latter can also accomplish some of what you describe and might on a technical level “understand” the concept of love and whatnot but still would lack in true understanding in such matters or “living” those concepts itself and at best would just emulate / simulate them. ---
**Author:** ![Skadoos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skadoos/32/409261_2.png) [@Skadoos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skadoos)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 8:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/age-of-beyond-if-humans-ai-united/482288/18 "2025-04-10T08:51:49Z")
I love how wrong this vision of harmony is. A uniformly coloured and shaped car would greatly simplify the maintenance and control of all of mobility by an AI, but even in economies with central planning of the past there was no uniformity because of how people are. Buses and ending all life on Earth would also greatly simplify things for an AI, and reducing the problem space is the first step in problem solving, which is ultimately the purpose of any intelligence. ---
**Author:** ![Ian\_Zhang](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ian_zhang/32/511534_2.png) [@Ian\_Zhang](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ian_Zhang)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/age-of-beyond-if-humans-ai-united/482288/19 "2025-04-10T14:03:01Z")
Maybe we should reconsider what is AI. For now, AI is just a computer program that can do jobs. While I use Deepseek, it mixed Bustard and Crane. It turns out that the development of AI still needs time. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichelle\_Geniale](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichelle_geniale/32/450875_2.png) [@DeMichelle\_Geniale](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichelle_Geniale)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/age-of-beyond-if-humans-ai-united/482288/20 "2025-04-10T14:20:10Z")
I completely agree with your take, @Ian_Zhang . The term ‘AI’ has become a bit of a buzzword—people often treat it like magic or a form of consciousness, when in fact, it’s just code doing what it’s told (or statistically predicting what _should_ come next). Tools like Deepseek are impressive, but the bustard/crane mix-up shows how far we still have to go. The ‘intelligence’ in AI is more pattern recognition than actual understanding. Maybe the real challenge is less about building smarter machines and more about how we define intelligence in the first place. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/age-of-beyond-if-humans-ai-united/482288.md?page=2)