# Agist, Racist, and anti-Disabled Requirements for CSM Membership **URL:** \ **Category:** Assembly Hall\ **Created:** [May 26, 2020, 12:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/agist-racist-and-anti-disabled-requirements-for-csm-membership/243952 "2020-05-26T00:45:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Welton\_Cube](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/welton_cube/32/182060_2.png) [@Welton\_Cube](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Welton_Cube)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2020, 12:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/agist-racist-and-anti-disabled-requirements-for-csm-membership/243952/1 "2020-05-26T00:45:20Z")
In an age where near-professional broadcasting rigs can be had for a few hundred dollars, requiring the ability to physically travel to anywhere when it’s physically impossible due to medical issues seems somewhere between agist (older players are more likely to have such health problems), racist (black and brown people in the U. S. are far more likely to be felons and have trouble obtaining a passport - neither of which are relevant to game play or representation of players), and a violation of the laws of several nations (including the United States) that protect the rights of the disabled. It’s bad enough having to deal with this piss-poor UI and unresponsive GMs, but being locked out of the best possible way of making a change happen because I can’t physically travel any more? That’s utterly ridiculous and probably worthy of a lawsuit. This policy needs to change and it needs to change now. There’s absolutely no reason attendance at your meetings can’t be done via telesession other than you WANT them to be live. ---
**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2020, 1:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/agist-racist-and-anti-disabled-requirements-for-csm-membership/243952/2 "2020-05-26T01:00:52Z")
In-room meetings are the best way to ensure confidentiality. There is also a great personal benefit to meeting people face-to-face and having a rational discussion. While I agree your concerns are important and should be discussed, your post comes across as a rant. Perhaps you could re-state your thoughts in a more open way. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2020, 1:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/agist-racist-and-anti-disabled-requirements-for-csm-membership/243952/3 "2020-05-26T01:00:53Z")
> That’s utterly ridiculous and probably worthy of a lawsuit. Oh good lord…please, go for it… ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2020, 1:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/agist-racist-and-anti-disabled-requirements-for-csm-membership/243952/4 "2020-05-26T01:03:42Z")
![Data Laughing](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/c/dcdeabee6f9f8971b1abaf04599b9fa8a963cbc8.gif) ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2020, 1:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/agist-racist-and-anti-disabled-requirements-for-csm-membership/243952/5 "2020-05-26T01:06:45Z")
In the midst of your rant you forgot to mention cis, alt-right, Trump, and throw the NRA in there somewhere for good measure… ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2020, 1:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/agist-racist-and-anti-disabled-requirements-for-csm-membership/243952/6 "2020-05-26T01:07:49Z")
…plus flat-earthers, anti-vaxxors and 4Chan. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2020, 1:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/agist-racist-and-anti-disabled-requirements-for-csm-membership/243952/7 "2020-05-26T01:35:33Z")
> [@Welton\_Cube](#): > > being locked out of the best possible way of making a change happen You seem to fundamentally misunderstand the goal and point of the CSM. > [@Welton\_Cube](#): > > That’s utterly ridiculous and probably worthy of a lawsuit. omg, please do. I need more things to laugh at. ---
**Author:** ![Buoytender\_Bob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buoytender_bob/32/374377_2.png) [@Buoytender\_Bob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buoytender_Bob)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2020, 1:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/agist-racist-and-anti-disabled-requirements-for-csm-membership/243952/8 "2020-05-26T01:38:39Z")
Make sure you hire a great Texas Lawyer for that lawsuit… ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2020, 2:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/agist-racist-and-anti-disabled-requirements-for-csm-membership/243952/9 "2020-05-26T02:16:08Z")
So it is agist/anti-disabled to expect someone to perform their function that demands in-person engagement because telepresence by its nature is insufficient, unreliable, does not ensure privacy/confidentiality, and is inconvenient given time zone discrepancies (ie. my 2pm is your 4am)? What’s racist is how you blanket black & brown people as less likely to get passports and argue how that supposedly serves as categorical grounds for racism. Either you’re a troll or you’re an idiot, or both. But for sure you’re wasting our time. [@ISD](https://forums.eveonline.com/groups/isd) please close this thread. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2020, 2:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/agist-racist-and-anti-disabled-requirements-for-csm-membership/243952/10 "2020-05-26T02:53:31Z")
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**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2020, 2:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/agist-racist-and-anti-disabled-requirements-for-csm-membership/243952/11 "2020-05-26T02:54:08Z")
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