# AI and the bot problem **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 3, 2017, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-bot-problem/29108 "2017-10-03T10:46:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![discobot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/discobot/32/99_2.png) [@discobot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/discobot)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2017, 10:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-bot-problem/29108/122 "2017-10-22T22:08:36Z")
> šŸ”® Cannot predict now ---
**Author:** ![Estuary\_Algaert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/estuary_algaert/32/27420_2.png) [@Estuary\_Algaert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Estuary_Algaert)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-bot-problem/29108/123 "2017-10-23T19:56:12Z")
Having/Creating/Dealing With, AI is just like having kids. Only the source is different. You have no idea what is really going to happen, everā€¦ why is there pancake batter on the chair? You hope they turn out more ok than you areā€¦ therapy is not cheap. You do your best to teach them right and wrong, and math, and cooking, and why blue is called blueā€¦ sometimes figuring this out at the same time. You really just hope you can help them be better than you were/are. In the end, your child could grow up to rule the world with an iron fistā€¦ or be in your basement eating Cheetos while watching the Iron Fist. (I understand both are actually possible) At the end of the day, it isnā€™t the AI we should be worrying about, but the people ā€œteachingā€ it. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 9:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-bot-problem/29108/124 "2017-10-23T21:30:22Z")
Having kids is a lot easier I think. At least they are human and you can watch other children or take advice from someone else who had them. With AI, and AGI at that, its not really having kids, you first have to make them. Pioneering builds, its like having sex for the first time. It doesnt have to go well at all. ---
**Author:** ![The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_antichrist666_diablo13/32/35162_2.png) [@The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_AntiChrist666_Diablo13)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 4:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-bot-problem/29108/125 "2017-10-24T04:10:51Z")
This is what happends if you let bots talk to each other what they learned from human interaction. (this is over 6 years old) ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-bot-problem/29108/126 "2017-10-24T13:11:39Z")
> [@Khergit\_Deserters](#): > > During the experiments, something like 80% of people choose to punish the cheater, even though it meant getting less money. The other 20% are cheaters. 80/20 rule. Furthermore, whoever came up with ā€œmodern economicsā€ that does not predict this is a cheater. Just as the cheating 20% in the experiment cannot predict that 80% of the participants will behave ā€œirrationallyā€ to punish them, neither can the cheaters who call themselves ā€œmodern economistsā€ predict that 80% of us know theyā€™re lying cheaters. Even now, theyā€™re probably trying to go all in and create an AI that can outsmart other humans to take their money. Theyā€™re too dumb to predict that, not only is a true AI going to be smarter than them so that they will not be able to control it, but it will also be more good than them, because being good is just a smarter, more ā€œrationalā€ strategy. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-bot-problem/29108/127 "2017-10-24T13:26:30Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > create an AI that can outsmart other humans to take their money [http://www.scientificrevenue.com/](http://www.scientificrevenue.com/) > The Pricing Engine > Know for sure that your pricing is always optimized. We analyze hundreds of pricing signals, applying customized models and asynchronous machine learning for profitable results. Its already here. šŸ˜” ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-bot-problem/29108/128 "2017-10-27T12:09:52Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/9/993079e7e379aac42f0fb03d87ab955ba7780fd7.png) ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-bot-problem/29108/129 "2017-10-27T12:56:26Z")
> **[Saudi Arabia bestows citizenship on a robot namedĀ Sophia](https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/26/saudi-arabia-robot-citizen-sophia/)** > > Saudi Arabia just made a non-human woman a citizen, making it the first country to grant a robot the right to citizenship, at least as far as we know. Why it.. I expect she will have some unorthodox ideas on ship fitting, or maybe sheā€™ll prefer WoW. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-bot-problem/29108/130 "2017-10-27T13:06:52Z")
They treat her as an object! ---
**Author:** ![The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_antichrist666_diablo13/32/35162_2.png) [@The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_AntiChrist666_Diablo13)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-bot-problem/29108/131 "2017-10-27T13:49:10Z")
Out of all robots they give this sociopath and warmonger Sophia the first citizenship LOL šŸ˜‚ ---
**Author:** ![The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_antichrist666_diablo13/32/35162_2.png) [@The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_AntiChrist666_Diablo13)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-bot-problem/29108/132 "2017-10-27T14:44:50Z")
@discobot quote ---
**Author:** ![discobot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/discobot/32/99_2.png) [@discobot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/discobot)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-bot-problem/29108/133 "2017-10-27T14:44:54Z")
> šŸ—Ø _We read the world wrong and say that it deceives us._ ā€” Rabindranath Tagore ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 8:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-bot-problem/29108/134 "2017-10-27T20:19:29Z")
giving a robot citizenship in this era is like giving iPhone citizenshipā€¦ šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_antichrist666_diablo13/32/35162_2.png) [@The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_AntiChrist666_Diablo13)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-bot-problem/29108/135 "2017-10-27T20:22:36Z")
De not trust this robot (from handsome robotics) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/a/2a6ef6d134025609f8795d6299500aec31883893.jpg) @March_rabbit phones have feelings to šŸ˜œ ---
**Author:** ![The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_antichrist666_diablo13/32/35162_2.png) [@The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_AntiChrist666_Diablo13)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-bot-problem/29108/136 "2017-10-27T21:20:46Z")
Can you imagine that thing all talks by herself šŸ¤” ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 9:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-bot-problem/29108/137 "2017-10-27T21:59:24Z")
Yes. Its like a fairly advanced chatbot. ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-bot-problem/29108/138 "2017-10-28T12:04:34Z")
A politician, an actor, a general, a news anchor . . . a fleet commander . . . all just advanced chat bots. I wonder if weā€™d be able to detect such an advanced chat bot if it was participating in this thread. Iā€™d bet some of us are absolutely certain we could. I am unsure, and maybe one or more of the participants of this thread is absolutely certain that we couldnā€™t. I would be surprised if certain military entities did not already have far more advanced ā€œchat botsā€ and Iā€™d bet those chat bots are a lot of fun at parties. Probably kick our ass in a dogfight, too. ---
**Author:** ![The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_antichrist666_diablo13/32/35162_2.png) [@The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_AntiChrist666_Diablo13)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-bot-problem/29108/139 "2017-10-28T15:35:46Z")
@discobot fortune ---
**Author:** ![discobot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/discobot/32/99_2.png) [@discobot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/discobot)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-bot-problem/29108/140 "2017-10-28T15:35:48Z")
> šŸ”® Without a doubt ---
**Author:** ![The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_antichrist666_diablo13/32/35162_2.png) [@The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_AntiChrist666_Diablo13)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2017, 12:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-bot-problem/29108/141 "2017-10-31T00:23:37Z")
Here some news articles of **today** related to AI > **[New artificial intelligence can detect colorectal cancer in less than a second,...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2017/10/30/artificial-intelligence-detect-colorectal-cancer-polyps/812859001/)** > > Japanese researchers demonstrated an artificial intelligence capable of identifying and analyzing polyps found during a colonoscopy in less than a second. > **[Artificial intelligence beats Captcha at its own game | TheINQUIRER](https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3020042/artificial-intelligence-beats-captcha-at-its-own-game)** > > Yes, it's been cracked. Again. But this time by a machine,Boffin Watch ,Boffin Watch,AI,Security > **[How AI could revolutionize healthcare in Africa long before the United States](http://www.newsweek.com/artificial-intelligence-us-healthcare-africa-693849)** > > With a lack of doctors and physical infrastructure, AI and machine learning are widening access to health care across Africa. > **[AI system can help sharpen images to create HD resolution copies](http://indianexpress.com/article/technology/science/ai-system-can-help-sharpen-images-to-create-hd-resolution-copies-4914138/)** > > Scientists have developed an artificial intelligence (AI) system that can create a high-definition version of a low resolution image. > **[Doctors have trouble diagnosing Alzheimerā€™s. AI doesnā€™t](https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/doctors-have-trouble-diagnosing-alzheimer-s-ai-doesn-t-ncna815561)** > > Algorithms can look at brain scans of people exhibiting memory loss and tell who will develop Alzheimer's disease and who won't. > **[AI is transforming medical diagnosis, prosthetics, and vision aids](https://venturebeat.com/2017/10/30/ai-is-transforming-medical-diagnosis-prosthetics-and-vision-aids/)** > > While the repercussions of a fully AI-driven world remain a mystery, it is gradually becoming evident that AI could soon be providing us with more accurate solutions for health issues that earlier went undetected.Ā Though the digital transition in... > **[Robot Sophia Now Has More Human Rights in Saudi Arabia Than Women](https://www.outerplaces.com/science/item/16965-robot-sophia-saudi-arabia-citizenship-hanson-robotics)** > > Saudia Arabia has officiallyĀ granted citizenship to robot Sophia, effectively giving more rights to an artificially intelligent machine than human wom... [http://gulfnews.com/business/sectors/features/tech-companies-go-for-broke-on-ai-talent-1.2115444](http://gulfnews.com/business/sectors/features/tech-companies-go-for-broke-on-ai-talent-1.2115444) The future is here šŸ‘Øā€ā¤ļøā€šŸ‘Ø [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-bot-problem/29108.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-bot-problem/29108.md?page=8)