# AI and the effect on Economy/Society **URL:** \ **Category:** Out Of Pod Experience\ **Created:** [December 24, 2025, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-effect-on-economy-society/503747 "2025-12-24T10:32:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Meridan\_Night](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meridan_night/32/488304_2.png) [@Meridan\_Night](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meridan_Night)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2025, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-effect-on-economy-society/503747/21 "2025-12-24T21:32:57Z")
> [@Riley\_O\_Riley](#): > > A.I ? All I see is Artificial, not Intelligence. It stands for ‘Artificial Idiot’. ---
**Author:** ![Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/synthetic_infomorph/32/489149_2.png) [@Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Synthetic_Infomorph)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2025, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-effect-on-economy-society/503747/22 "2025-12-24T21:33:26Z")
The purpose of AI customer service isn’t to help you, it’s to get you to hang up. It’s working just fine. ---
**Author:** ![Meridan\_Night](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meridan_night/32/488304_2.png) [@Meridan\_Night](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meridan_Night)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2025, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-effect-on-economy-society/503747/23 "2025-12-24T21:36:59Z")
> [@Srima\_Darkstar](#): > > Mankind will develop AI for one of two reasons, both lack any morality or just cause. Once that is done, and it can actually think like a human being, there won’t be any humans. Won’t happen. AI is an illusion. All we can create is an algorithm that will continue to spit out lowest nonsense ever posted online. It’s a glorified computer program, that’s all. People are just so gullible. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2025, 9:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-effect-on-economy-society/503747/24 "2025-12-24T21:40:29Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > I’m unsure how oil mining would maintain optimal sales if the orders for the oil reduce. The global industrial powerhouses will shift from fossile fuels over to nuclear as baseline + renewables with different forms of power storage facilities. Will still take a few decades, but it has already begun. Both for generating electricity, heating up houses and transportation. Yes, the demands of the chemical industry will stay to make all kind of products out of them, but thats only a part of the current oil and gas usage. Currently raw oil production is used - 50-60% for transportation (fuels) - 15-20% for for heating and electricity generation (power plants) - 10-15% for the chemical industry (advanced materials and products) - 5-10% for construction (bitumens, lubricants, sealants) Once point 1 and 2 go down globally, overall demands plummet, so either the harvested amount has to shrink a lot or the prices for those raw fossil resources will plummet as well. In both cases lots of people in the fossile industries will lose jobs, it’s inevitable. The big question is, will it happen in our lifetime or not? For someone who is 60, maybe not. For someone who is 20, probably. ---
**Author:** ![Meridan\_Night](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meridan_night/32/488304_2.png) [@Meridan\_Night](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meridan_Night)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2025, 9:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-effect-on-economy-society/503747/25 "2025-12-24T21:42:25Z")
> [@Synthetic\_Infomorph](#): > > The purpose of AI customer service isn’t to help you, it’s to get you to hang up. It’s working just fine. That’s exactly the problem. I went there. Big businesses don’t want to pay their employees wages, and they don’t want to talk to their customerbase either. They just want you to give them your money for the crap that they undoubtedly now produce and not utter a syllable. This is not right. And the type of people who are running those businesses and coming up with these models of ‘doing business’ are not the types who should be at the head of such corporations. Their customers have the power to say no. As soon as the the money falls out, they have to start doing better. But unfortunately it’s plain obvious just how much of a sheep herd the average people really are. ---
**Author:** ![Meridan\_Night](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meridan_night/32/488304_2.png) [@Meridan\_Night](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meridan_Night)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2025, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-effect-on-economy-society/503747/26 "2025-12-24T21:46:49Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > The global industrial powerhouses will shift from fossile fuels over to nuclear as baseline + renewables Well then it’s pretty clear we’re going to blow this whole planet up at some point. ---
**Author:** ![Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/synthetic_infomorph/32/489149_2.png) [@Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Synthetic_Infomorph)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2025, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-effect-on-economy-society/503747/27 "2025-12-24T21:50:32Z")
Nonsense. Nuclear is clean and safe, and it would also be cheap if it wasn’t for sabotage from environmentalists who are inexplicably allowed in government. ---
**Author:** ![Riley\_O\_Riley](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/riley_o_riley/32/485616_2.png) [@Riley\_O\_Riley](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Riley_O_Riley)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2025, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-effect-on-economy-society/503747/28 "2025-12-24T21:53:51Z")
> [@Meridan\_Night](#): > > It stands for ‘Artificial Idiot’. Too bad all idiots aren’t artificial. ---
**Author:** ![Meridan\_Night](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meridan_night/32/488304_2.png) [@Meridan\_Night](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meridan_Night)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2025, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-effect-on-economy-society/503747/29 "2025-12-24T21:58:13Z")
> [@Synthetic\_Infomorph](#): > > Nonsense. Nuclear is clean and safe Clean and safe until something goes wrong. Human error, programming error, AI running it. Take your pick. With nuclear proliferation the odds of something going wrong _go up_. It’s just a matter of time till another accident happens. A thing that by its nature is harmful to human health and the environment cannot be ‘clean’ and ‘safe’. It’s only ‘clean’ and ‘safe’ as long as everybody/thing operating it does it right within the correct parameters. ---
**Author:** ![Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/synthetic_infomorph/32/489149_2.png) [@Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Synthetic_Infomorph)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2025, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-effect-on-economy-society/503747/30 "2025-12-24T22:05:17Z")
[Nuclear power has a substantially lower rate of fatalities than wind](https://rpmanetworks.com/atomkraftclonesite-english/docs/safety-nuclear-vs-wind-power/), and is [much less environmentally damaging than the production of solar panels](https://eponline.com/articles/2025/04/04/examining-the-environmental-impact-of-solar-panels.aspx?admgarea=Features). Nuclear isn’t perfect, there are better options, such as hydro, and hopefully soon, fusion, but there are many cases where hydro isn’t practical, and nuclear is still a hell of a lot better than wind, solar, or fossil fuels. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2025, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-effect-on-economy-society/503747/31 "2025-12-24T22:05:33Z")
> [@Meridan\_Night](#): > > A thing that by its nature is harmful to human health and the environment cannot be ‘clean’ and ‘safe’ Where do you get your wisdom from? Kellogg’s? Fire is by nature harmful to human health. Salt is by nature harmful to human health. Water is by nature harmful to human health. Raw Oil is by nature harmful to human health. Animals are by nature harmful to human health. Basically _everything_ humans have ever touched is harmful for human health - as long as humans hadn’t learned how to properly use it. Nuclear power is no exception. ---
**Author:** ![Meridan\_Night](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meridan_night/32/488304_2.png) [@Meridan\_Night](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meridan_Night)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2025, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-effect-on-economy-society/503747/32 "2025-12-24T22:11:35Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > Where do you get your wisdom from? Kellogg’s? > > Fire is by nature harmful to human health. > Salt is by nature harmful to human health. > Water is by nature harmful to human health. > Raw Oil is by nature harmful to human health. > Animals are by nature harmful to human health. > > Basically _everything_ humans have ever touched is harmful for human health - as long as humans hadn’t learned how to properly use it. Nuclear power is no exception. Would you move into a nuclear power plant? I’m not advocating for people to give up the use of fire to cook/heat their home/light a cigarette/etc. But I am advocating against people setting themselves on fire! That’s not healthy. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2025, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-effect-on-economy-society/503747/33 "2025-12-24T22:18:46Z")
> [@Meridan\_Night](#): > > Would you move into a nuclear power plant? Who advocates that? What don’t you get about the idea “learning how to use” something? Not living next to the glowing rod and bathing in the coolant liquid _is part of_ “learning how ot use” nuclear power. You are not “setting people on fire” by using nuclear power plants to generate energy. The failure rate is _extremely low_ and probably less people have died in the last decades from the consequences of using nuclear power than from the consequences of using fossil fuels. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2025, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-effect-on-economy-society/503747/34 "2025-12-24T22:28:36Z")
> [@Meridan\_Night](#): > > But I am advocating against people setting themselves on fire! That’s not healthy. Did you know some public EV car chargers can use from 50KW to 350KW? I would have thought one needs to be certified to use high powered equipment and attend a series of training courses. An oven or washing machine at 3KW is as much electric as I want to use in a device, I view anything above that as a safety concern. ---
**Author:** ![Meridan\_Night](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meridan_night/32/488304_2.png) [@Meridan\_Night](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meridan_Night)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2025, 10:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-effect-on-economy-society/503747/35 "2025-12-24T22:34:54Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > What don’t you get about the idea “learning how to use” something? Not living next to the glowing rod and bathing in the coolant liquid _is part of_ “learning how ot use” nuclear power. You are not “setting people on fire” by using nuclear power plants to generate energy. The failure rate is _extremely low_ and probably less people have died in the last decades from the consequences of using nuclear power than from the consequences of using fossil fuels. Fire and all those things you quoted above are not adequate comparisons to draw for nuclear power. An average person knows how to put out a fire. In order to put out a nuclear accident you need a doctorate in physics, and even then. An average person will never know what to do or how to handle it or save his own life if an accident happened. Just because we have educated people running nuclear facilities doesn’t mean accidents don’t happen. We’ve just been lucky so far. We keep building more of these things, one day we won’t be so lucky. Another thing with nuclear – if something happens it will contaminate the environment as to render it unusable for tens of thousands of years! It’s beyond human scale damage. No fire, animals, salt, water, or any other of those things have this unimaginable scale of damage. There is nothing else like it with the sheer scale of damage to human life and the environment. A fire burns down your house, you will build another one in its spot tomorrow. A nuclear accident will wipe out your home, you’re never going back there ever again, if you survived. There is nothing inherently safe about it. We’re just playing with fire and deluding ourselves that we can handle it. Humans have f\*cked everything up they touch. This is no different. The expectation that nuclear plants will be operated 100% safely into the future to come is naive and delusional. ---
**Author:** ![Srima\_Darkstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/srima_darkstar/32/515929_2.png) [@Srima\_Darkstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Srima_Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2025, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-effect-on-economy-society/503747/36 "2025-12-24T22:37:00Z")
> [@Meridan\_Night](#): > > AI is an illusion. When it gets weaponized, the weapons that it gets attached to are no illusion. I know it is currently a mechanical parrot. I am not thinking of the 1980’s WHOPPER in War Games the movie. That fictional AI could be reasoned with, what I am talking about is a cold logical algo that quickly computates that no humans equals peace. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2025, 10:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-effect-on-economy-society/503747/37 "2025-12-24T22:41:50Z")
> [@Srima\_Darkstar](#): > > what I am talking about is a cold logical algo that quickly computates that no humans equals peace. The main thing which needs to be undestood about AI is that data is processed in a paralell manner, and at the heart of AI is a gaming GPU. Just so you can be clear on the sheer power of a GPU; imagine everyone on earth doing a simple sum at the same time, now imagine 40 earths with 8 Billion people each all doing a sum at the same time…that is the power of paralell processing. So nothing has really changed except the way processed data is being applied, we have had the ability to paralell process for a good while. I’m not sure this on it’s own can somehow spawn some sort of Artificial intelligence that wants to eradicate us. AI can be seen as an event driven database, Once the “AI” has been “taught” it can go ahead and create graphics, simulate a voice, create a legal document…(remember the 40 earth’s example) once the ability to process lots of things similtaneously is there some powerful computer applications can be created. ---
**Author:** ![Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/synthetic_infomorph/32/489149_2.png) [@Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Synthetic_Infomorph)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2025, 10:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-effect-on-economy-society/503747/38 "2025-12-24T22:44:25Z")
You’ve been reading too much environmentalist propaganda. Cleaning up a nuclear incident doesn’t require a PhD, it requires a basic understanding of hygiene and a decent respirator. It also doesn’t make land unusable for tens of thousands of years. It doesn’t even make it uninhabitable for a decade. Chernobyl was the largest nuclear disaster in history, and thousands of people continue to live in the area. The leading cause of death is heart failure due to advanced age, not cancer. That’s not to say we should start grazing cattle in the Zone, but the area is already perfectly usable to live and work in. In fact many of the residents do grow their own food, since settling the Zone is technically illegal, and they’re doing fine. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2025, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-effect-on-economy-society/503747/39 "2025-12-24T22:48:00Z")
> [@Synthetic\_Infomorph](#): > > but the area is already perfectly usable to live and work in. In fact many of the residents do grow their own food, since settling the Zone is technically illegal, and they’re doing fine. Just thought I’d do a quick google AI: Hemp’s Role in Nuclear Disaster Cleanup - **Phytoremediation:** Industrial hemp is a “hyperaccumulator,” meaning it can absorb high levels of various contaminants, including heavy metals like lead, cadmium, and nickel, as well as radioactive isotopes such as cesium-137 and strontium-90, without the plant itself suffering damage. - **Chernobyl Application:** In the late 1990s, scientists and a U.S. biotechnology company, Phytotech, planted industrial hemp in the exclusion zone around the abandoned Chernobyl power plant in Ukraine. The experiments showed that hemp significantly reduced radionuclide soil toxicity, proving to be one of the best plants available for the task at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/synthetic_infomorph/32/489149_2.png) [@Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Synthetic_Infomorph)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2025, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-effect-on-economy-society/503747/40 "2025-12-24T22:52:41Z")
That’s very interesting, I didn’t know that. Still, we shouldn’t be growing food in the Zone. Remediating the soil is still important, of course, but I’d rather the area be used for industry than agriculture, even if the crop in question is mostly used for its fibres. I guess Chernobyl hemp could be used to make paper and fabric, but I’d be wary of it getting recycled into food packaging. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-effect-on-economy-society/503747.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ai-and-the-effect-on-economy-society/503747.md?page=3)