# Alliance Tournament XVII - An Update! **URL:** \ **Category:** Tournament Discussion\ **Tags:** alliance-tournament, official\ **Created:** [February 13, 2019, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alliance-tournament-xvii-an-update/139758 "2019-02-13T16:55:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Aden\_Ordinii](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aden_ordinii/32/109550_2.png) [@Aden\_Ordinii](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aden_Ordinii)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alliance-tournament-xvii-an-update/139758/103 "2019-02-13T22:37:28Z")
No Fan fest this year is hard, it doesn’t feel right. And now this. CCP you need to announce some good news for once. People are starting to worry, more then usual. ---
**Author:** ![Operator\_McCansy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/operator_mccansy/32/255677_2.png) [@Operator\_McCansy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Operator_McCansy)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 10:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alliance-tournament-xvii-an-update/139758/104 "2019-02-13T22:38:07Z")
what is this quality of life you re talking about? The events have become a horrible grind, where people are now forced to mine and most of us don t even bother anymore. The alliance tournament, something so many people look forward too, where loads of players practice every week during the whole year is shut down? for what, so we can now all get used to a new neocomm? so we have an activity tracker Noone cares about? You re taking essential parts for many players out of the game, so you can introduce details noone cares about? going completely in the wrong direction here DEVs ---
**Author:** ![Maekchu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maekchu/32/178692_2.png) [@Maekchu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maekchu)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 10:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alliance-tournament-xvii-an-update/139758/105 "2019-02-13T22:44:25Z")
But don’t worry peeps, we got [memes](https://www.eveonline.com/ccplease). Should give us enough community goodwill to cruise through this storm. ---
**Author:** ![Magalaus\_Shardani](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/magalaus_shardani/32/399592_2.png) [@Magalaus\_Shardani](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Magalaus_Shardani)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alliance-tournament-xvii-an-update/139758/106 "2019-02-13T22:51:39Z")
Every update we get closer to CCPs end goal which is the removal of PVP outside of instanced abyssal sites. ---
**Author:** ![Insidious](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/insidious/32/171848_2.png) [@Insidious](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Insidious)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alliance-tournament-xvii-an-update/139758/107 "2019-02-13T22:52:06Z")
i unsubbed almost a year ago, i always saw at AT a distraction personally, but on a community level, this justs takes the soul out another thing that has just gone away from eve, another thing im not even going to rant ---
**Author:** ![Soldarius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/soldarius/32/313493_2.png) [@Soldarius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Soldarius)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alliance-tournament-xvii-an-update/139758/108 "2019-02-13T22:54:49Z")
So, funny story. This month is my 10 year anniversary of playing Eve. For the last 3 of those years I have been privileged and honored to be the captain of TEST’s Alliance Tournament team. In those years this year is the first that we haven’t lost half our team to other alliances. We expected to come into the tournament this year completely intact. Now CCP has taken that from me. What a wonderful birthday present. ---
**Author:** ![Maekchu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maekchu/32/178692_2.png) [@Maekchu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maekchu)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alliance-tournament-xvii-an-update/139758/109 "2019-02-13T22:59:12Z")
Yeah, recent CCP actions really inspire community confidence. /sarcasm While the viewer numbers might have dropped, the AT could have served as some distraction from how otherwise their game is a mess. But no, numbers are down and the event is not profitable. Give it the axe! ---
**Author:** ![Ibram\_Hindenstern](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ibram_hindenstern/32/120342_2.png) [@Ibram\_Hindenstern](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ibram_Hindenstern)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alliance-tournament-xvii-an-update/139758/110 "2019-02-13T23:05:39Z")
I’m honestly just enjoying this game while I can… Sad fracking times. ---
**Author:** ![Soldarius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/soldarius/32/313493_2.png) [@Soldarius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Soldarius)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alliance-tournament-xvii-an-update/139758/111 "2019-02-13T23:16:05Z")
At least we got told well in advance. ---
**Author:** ![Shanksman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shanksman/32/26905_2.png) [@Shanksman](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shanksman)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 11:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alliance-tournament-xvii-an-update/139758/112 "2019-02-13T23:21:17Z")
So what will it take to make AT happen? Is there anything we can do to fix this HUGE mistake!? ---
**Author:** ![Neleron\_Mandin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neleron_mandin/32/120344_2.png) [@Neleron\_Mandin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neleron_Mandin)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 11:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alliance-tournament-xvii-an-update/139758/113 "2019-02-13T23:28:20Z")
Talk about not managing expectations. I thought we were being distracted by the CF of an event we got by some good news about AT, even if it was just registration details. Instead CCP seem like they want to frontload every piece of garbage before people stop playing for the summer so they can stop playing now. Massively disappointed ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_Arrien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lady_arrien/32/360349_2.png) [@Lady\_Arrien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lady_Arrien)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alliance-tournament-xvii-an-update/139758/114 "2019-02-13T23:37:36Z")
I’m actually surprised that I’m not angry about this. Instead I just feel disappointed and a sense of relief, which is probably a sign I should have stopped playing long ago. I have also unsubscribed my accounts, but I would like to take a moment to say thank you for this announcement. It would have been easy for you guys to wait for another few months without telling us, but being honest means that we can move on with our lives. Although I disagree with your decision, I really respect you being up front about it. Fly dangerously space friends o/ ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alliance-tournament-xvii-an-update/139758/115 "2019-02-13T23:41:19Z")
> [@Casperina](#): > > This should have been in the OP saved at least 50 of the posts. Wouldn’t have made the slightest difference - it’s the usual moaners who moan about everything anyway, regardless of rhyme or reason… ---
**Author:** ![Chronix\_Beebelbrox](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chronix_beebelbrox/32/499262_2.png) [@Chronix\_Beebelbrox](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chronix_Beebelbrox)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alliance-tournament-xvii-an-update/139758/116 "2019-02-13T23:49:57Z")
Well, you’ve managed to distract us from bots and capital imbalances for a few minutes, if that was your goal, well done. Otherwise ■■■■ you to whoever canceled AT. ---
**Author:** ![Garreth\_Vlox](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garreth_vlox/32/75646_2.png) [@Garreth\_Vlox](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Garreth_Vlox)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 12:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alliance-tournament-xvii-an-update/139758/117 "2019-02-14T00:07:29Z")
> [@CCP\_Falcon](#): > > 2019 is a year where there are a lot of interesting plans afoot. We’re not quite ready to talk about many of them just yet Just be honest, you don’t have any plans because you’re all trying to avoid spending money on anything including labor so Hilmar can collect a nice fat sale related bonus check from Pearl Abyss. ---
**Author:** ![Casper24](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/casper24/32/463390_2.png) [@Casper24](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Casper24)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 12:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alliance-tournament-xvii-an-update/139758/118 "2019-02-14T00:14:01Z")
Took my imp, okay fine, took our tourney win, okay fine ( deserved) Took 15 years of my time, yeah okay was fun. - Killed the one thing my entire group of 20 players played for - the one thing that wasn’t your grab ass loot box capitals online. No one in the community wants this, how exactly does this work out in your brain? not even mad - just very very sad, for a freaking video game, that is a new one. good on you ---
**Author:** ![Qicia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qicia/32/57309_2.png) [@Qicia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qicia)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 12:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alliance-tournament-xvii-an-update/139758/119 "2019-02-14T00:17:15Z")
Having gone through the longest break from EVE since 2005. I’ve always paid for my accounts (roughly 15,000$ subs + plex) over a year’s worth of RL hours dedicated. However, last august i decided to close shop to reassess RL priorities as well as where CCP is taking eve. With a freshly built PC, Alliance/Coalition changes and the Tournament in sight (having run 3 of 4 teams) I was looking forward to re-subbing. It’s difficult to understand why a company would continue to slap the faces of paid customers, patch after patch, winter after winter, year after year…over and over again well over a decade goes by and still CCP manages to baffle its paid customers again. Actually i shouldn’t say baffle, seeing as something like this isn’t a shock anymore…more of a rinse and repeat. It takes quite a bit of time, energy and focus to really enjoy eve. This is what the AT requires for people who compete or look to be successful. What’s odd is you already have EVE NT supporting the tournament in previous years…all the tools in place to run the tournament from previous years…prizes, ship re balances, rules and professionalism got you to the point of reduced viewership/participation. It’s clear CCP’s continued priorities are once again skewed so much they blindly make decisions like this that have an ever lasting impact on current customers and those in wait. The long standing tradition the AT brought to EVE with this tournament (when i was young in eve really looked up to) will be another organizational failure you created yourself. No one else to blame. Meh, i guess all that’s left to say is thanks for the advance notice. I understand you are under staffed and un-prepared to bring a quality product to the table but removing it for the better good for 2020…dunno…this is a revolving door of excuses from not just the AT but eve changes in general through out the years…and can’t be shocked this will turn people away. Will the gamble pay off…for those who love the game. For their sake lets hope so. ---
**Author:** ![Derth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/derth/32/160468_2.png) [@Derth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Derth)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 12:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alliance-tournament-xvii-an-update/139758/120 "2019-02-14T00:22:48Z")
[my thoughts](https://youtu.be/gSIV9WJOrZQ) , very depressing ---
**Author:** ![Jian\_Mira](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jian_mira/32/509519_2.png) [@Jian\_Mira](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jian_Mira)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 12:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alliance-tournament-xvii-an-update/139758/121 "2019-02-14T00:26:26Z")
Sigh more bad news, it really feels that Eve is dying… CCP need some new ideas and new content, feels like nothing is changing… Come CCP don’t let EVE die! ---
**Author:** ![Zachri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zachri/32/69948_2.png) [@Zachri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zachri)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 12:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alliance-tournament-xvii-an-update/139758/122 "2019-02-14T00:44:52Z")
> [@CCP\_Falcon](#): > > Both viewership and participation have fallen subsantially in the last few years, so it made sense to have a hiatus and look at what we can do to come back fresh. Sad as it may be, this was almost funny. It isn’t half the bigger picture. But as certain restrictions apply, let’s focus the discussion on the, eh, hiatus. Also, it’s shocking how accurate the timing is of customer analysis & predictions. Reason for concern, you should remember the last period where matters were that uncannily predictable, it wasn’t a good period, and it had long term consequences. It’s a decision indicative of limited perspective. I know, bigger picture, but even in the limited scope it’s always important to remember that managing such aspects of online services always comes down to managing the trend. Breaking the trend isn’t simply a less than optimal call, it shows too much of another hand, it’s also more costly to reinstigate a trend based initiative - much more so than correcting it. It’s like with the Fanfest. No Fanfest, but an alternative. Costs, but maintains, also can be put to use. Alliance Tournament now has no alternative, thus the trend breaks, but more importantly the trend mechanism will face an increase in (various types of) costs, if it is to be rebooted. I know, a hiatus also has benefits in terms of “managing” _certain_ demographics (let’s call it that, I’m sure you get it), but the decision point really ought to become less narrow. Perception isn’t the same as reality no matter how ingrained it has become. Honestly, and I suggest this with the utmost respect, y’all need to apply the fanfest playbook. Push community drive towards at least maintaining a variant of the trend mechanism. This isn’t just a case of community management, it’s also a case of brand and reputation management. Put some heads together, set some boundaries and figure out some community angles, the cost of supporting such alternatives is low (well, not counting your time / energy), that mitigates several realistic risks while providing hooks that can be put to good use. Doesn’t have to be grand, could even be low key, important is that alternatives are in line with requirements of both community and brand / exposure management. There’s increasing gaps in the wake of that last part enough already. [Minimum viable product](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_viable_product). _Be glad I don’t link the scholar references to methodology & VC management practices in acquisitions._ [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alliance-tournament-xvii-an-update/139758.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alliance-tournament-xvii-an-update/139758.md?page=7)