# Allow ALPHA players to pay for the game! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 3, 2025, 4:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-alpha-players-to-pay-for-the-game/496977 "2025-09-03T04:23:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-alpha-players-to-pay-for-the-game/496977/61 "2025-09-11T14:36:19Z")
> [@Inxentas\_Ultramar](#): > > For my return, should CCP regard it important (I have no illusions that they do). I am simply not paying a subscription fee anymore. But you are quite happy for _others_ to pay the subscription fee in order that the game exists for you to even return to. That smacks of hypocrisy. ---
**Author:** ![Aallin\_Gicquet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aallin_gicquet/32/510703_2.png) [@Aallin\_Gicquet](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aallin_Gicquet)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2025, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-alpha-players-to-pay-for-the-game/496977/62 "2025-09-11T14:47:06Z")
> [@Inxentas\_Ultramar](#): > > So I quit. Well alrighty then. Don’t let the door hit you on the butt on the way out.. You might dent the paint. That would be a bad thing… 😜 ---
**Author:** ![Inxentas\_Ultramar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inxentas_ultramar/32/385922_2.png) [@Inxentas\_Ultramar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Inxentas_Ultramar)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 10:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-alpha-players-to-pay-for-the-game/496977/63 "2025-09-12T10:00:04Z")
Blanket moralisms go into the garbage bin pretty much immediately. I’m not saying other people have to pay my subscription fee. I’m saying that monthly subscriptions no longer fit the times and I am ultimately not spening money on them. How CCP derives an income from Eve Online is ultimately not my concern. It’s a product. It can appeal to me or I won’t care it even exists. ---
**Author:** ![Inxentas\_Ultramar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inxentas_ultramar/32/385922_2.png) [@Inxentas\_Ultramar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Inxentas_Ultramar)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-alpha-players-to-pay-for-the-game/496977/64 "2025-09-12T10:02:09Z")
That was past tense. Had you paid attention, that would have been obvious. By now the door I left through itself has probably been replaced. I have not been paying fees for over a decade now, but occasionally I roam Eve as an Alpha tourist. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-alpha-players-to-pay-for-the-game/496977/65 "2025-09-12T10:12:25Z")
the current model is fine as is, you want anything bigger than a b.s. get a sub.. or don’t.. you get 20 mil sp and you get a wide variety of ships, sometimes the smaller ships can be interesting to fly. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-alpha-players-to-pay-for-the-game/496977/66 "2025-09-12T10:36:55Z")
> [@Inxentas\_Ultramar](#): > > I’m not saying other people have to pay my subscription fee. But that is precisely what you _are_ saying. You’re quite happy for everyone else to pay a monthly subscription to keep EVE going…but you want some special deal where you can mix and match bits you want, when you want. Which basically means everyone else is paying the money to keep EVE going. Hmm….try telling Netflix you only want to pay if you watch and for specifically what you watch, rather than a monthly subscription that gives you access to everything….and see how that goes. ---
**Author:** ![Inxentas\_Ultramar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inxentas_ultramar/32/385922_2.png) [@Inxentas\_Ultramar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Inxentas_Ultramar)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-alpha-players-to-pay-for-the-game/496977/67 "2025-09-12T13:13:22Z")
No, that is not “precisely” what I am saying, that is how you decide to hear it. See: the definition of PRECISE. How can I say that others must pay my subscription fee when I am making a point that subscription fees should not even exist? Please register the concept, it’s not that hard. > Hmm….try telling Netflix you only want to pay if you watch and for specifically what you watch, rather than a monthly subscription that gives you access to everything….and see how that goes. Why would I tell Netflix, when I can already do that simply by installing **Pathé** , our national movie theatre app that does exactly what you just described? Realize that you are playing a game that wants to convey hypercapitalism. What’s wrong with throwing one offer in the trash, and going with that of the competitor? Netflix produces complete garbage I would not watch if you paid me. No need for me to talk to the people who’s subscription I already wasn’t paying because their product is s\*\*t. > some special deal where you can mix and match bits you want, when you want Something like that, yes. And it’s a matter of providing it or not getting selected. It’s a bit like dating in that regard. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-alpha-players-to-pay-for-the-game/496977/68 "2025-09-12T13:31:19Z")
> [@Inxentas\_Ultramar](#): > > How can I say that others must pay my subscription fee when I am making a point that subscription fees should not even exist? You continue to ignore the point….who’s going to pay to keep EVE going ? Your ‘pay by meter’ method is simply _no_t going to achieve that. The cost per hour for a metered method would have to be more than the equivalent hourly amount for a subscription that allows 24/7 usage. A _lot_ more, as the average player is not logged in 24/7. The subscription hourly rate works out about 2p an hour, but if the average player logs in 2 hours a day then CCP would have to charge 24p an hour to break even. That would mean that those who logged in more than the average hourly amount would actually end up paying _more_ than a subscription ! Then there’s the issue of why should you have a universe that’s _available_ 24/7 while paying less than those on a subscription. It is precisely that availability you are paying for. The servers don’t get switched on just for you…they run 24/7. ---
**Author:** ![Antihrist\_Pripravnik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/antihrist_pripravnik/32/502236_2.png) [@Antihrist\_Pripravnik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Antihrist_Pripravnik)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-alpha-players-to-pay-for-the-game/496977/69 "2025-09-12T14:13:01Z")
I’m going to be completely honest. This is one of the worst, if not the worst, extremely predatory monetization idea that I’ve seen recently. Even EA would be cautious to implement something like this. A monetization model like that can only be seen in weapons-grade mobile cash grabs and Korean gotcha games. ---
**Author:** ![Aallin\_Gicquet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aallin_gicquet/32/510703_2.png) [@Aallin\_Gicquet](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aallin_Gicquet)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2025, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-alpha-players-to-pay-for-the-game/496977/70 "2025-09-12T14:21:11Z")
> [@Antihrist\_Pripravnik](#): > > I’m going to be completely honest. This is one of the worst, if not the worst, extremely predatory monetization idea that I’ve seen recently. Even EA would be cautious to implement something like this. A monetization model like that can only be seen in weapons-grade mobile cash grabs and Korean gotcha games. This a thousand times this. ---
**Author:** ![Quentin\_Schaefer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quentin_schaefer/32/471507_2.png) [@Quentin\_Schaefer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quentin_Schaefer)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2025, 9:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-alpha-players-to-pay-for-the-game/496977/71 "2025-09-15T09:44:31Z")
> [@Antihrist\_Pripravnik](#): > > Korean **gacha** games. Fixed it for you. you’re welcome. ---
**Author:** ![Spacetramp\_Drago](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spacetramp_drago/32/480922_2.png) [@Spacetramp\_Drago](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spacetramp_Drago)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2025, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-alpha-players-to-pay-for-the-game/496977/72 "2025-09-15T09:47:25Z")
Gotcha game sounds more to the point though 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Inxentas\_Ultramar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inxentas_ultramar/32/385922_2.png) [@Inxentas\_Ultramar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Inxentas_Ultramar)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2025, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-alpha-players-to-pay-for-the-game/496977/73 "2025-09-15T09:53:41Z")
No, YOU continue to ignore MY point. I am not INTERESTED in your CORPORATE explanation of costs and benefits because I am a consumer. I UNDERSTAND that nothing is for free but sunlight, I am 43 years old and not stupid. I am TELLING you a REQUIREMENT, not SUGGESTING one. > Your ‘pay by meter’ method is simply _no_t going to achieve that. Then the guys at CORPORATE will have to come up with something else, that’s their JOB. There are plenty of examples of games with servers that are live 24/7. > That would mean that those who logged in more than the average hourly amount would actually end up paying _more_ than a subscription ! That’s perfect, actually. Because now the people not playing are paying for those that do. My time in Nullsec showed me exactly who benefits exactly from the current arrangement, but unfortunately forum rules do not allow me to repeat my findings. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2025, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-alpha-players-to-pay-for-the-game/496977/74 "2025-09-15T10:56:36Z")
You’re still under the incorrect assumption that you, and your opinions, matter. ---
**Author:** ![Inxentas\_Ultramar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inxentas_ultramar/32/385922_2.png) [@Inxentas\_Ultramar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Inxentas_Ultramar)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2025, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-alpha-players-to-pay-for-the-game/496977/75 "2025-09-15T12:17:33Z")
And I am already done with having these childish discussions with you, Aisha. I know perfectly well my opinions do not matter to you, I just don’t care because you make those typical (of the USA) blanket statements about peoples supposed assumptions. I’ll make an assumption of my own. I’m not interested in your response, so I’ll keep it to myself. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2025, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-alpha-players-to-pay-for-the-game/496977/76 "2025-09-15T12:49:30Z")
I finally decided to highlight the absurdity of your position with the following… ‘Dear local Council, I’ve decided that £200 a month council tax is too much, as I never use most of the services. I want to only pay for what I use. I never use the parks or libraries, so can you please deduct them from my bill. I’ve never called the police or needed them, so deduct that too. I barely create any rubbish…I mean nothing like the neighbour next door with his 4 kids, so I want a huge reduction for that. And speaking of kids…I don’t have any so why am I paying for other people’s kids to be educated ? Oh, and I don’t have a car, so why am I paying for road maintenance ? Yours sincerely, Grumpy Man From Tunbridge Wells ’ ---
**Author:** ![Inxentas\_Ultramar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inxentas_ultramar/32/385922_2.png) [@Inxentas\_Ultramar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Inxentas_Ultramar)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2025, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-alpha-players-to-pay-for-the-game/496977/77 "2025-09-15T13:13:28Z")
This isn’t small town politics. I am simply a customer being critical of subscription models. **Warframe** runs on microtransactions and **Guild Wars II** runs on a purchase-once-play-forever model. Reality demonstrates these models can work well, and sustain a game. You illustrate nothing because everything you just said is based on an imagined scenario in YOUR country. > Oh, and I don’t have a car, so why am I paying for road maintenance ? That’s… that’s exactly how it works in _my_ country. People do, in fact, pay additional road tax when actually owning a car. If you think that’s a problem, do not migrate to the Netherlands. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2025, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-alpha-players-to-pay-for-the-game/496977/78 "2025-09-15T13:34:22Z")
> [@Inxentas\_Ultramar](#): > > I am simply a customer being critical of subscription models. Most things run on subscription models. Netflix, Amazon Prime, the BBC, yaya, yada, are all viewing that you pay a set subscription for whether you watch 24/7 or for 1 hour a month. I used to run a ‘sim’ in Second Life. The charge was $250 ( yes…$250 ! ) a month whether I got any customers or not. I scrapped that sim after a while…but I still rent out some smaller spaces which I pay rent for whether I even log in or not. I have subscriptions to four AI art generation apps ( I’m a top AI artist and make a little money from it ). We’re talking several hundred pounds a year, which I pay whether I create any art or not. I’m not making any profit, but I carry on because I enjoy it. And so on. The list is endless. And I pay the same council tax as my neighbour…even though there are 6 people living next door and only two in my house. ---
**Author:** ![Inxentas\_Ultramar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inxentas_ultramar/32/385922_2.png) [@Inxentas\_Ultramar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Inxentas_Ultramar)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2025, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-alpha-players-to-pay-for-the-game/496977/79 "2025-09-15T13:56:45Z")
I can tell I am talking to a younger person. In my life, most things _certainly_ do not run on a subscription model, and people my age are making jokes about people’s tolerance for that kind of nonsense. You can now subscribe to a _fridge_ in my country. The normalization of subscription models is an abomination to someone who used to own physical music carriers. _You will own nothing and be happy._ You describe your subscription fees almost as if you’re proud of paying them. And had they been to socialist institutions, you could have your socialist pride indeed. But now you are just throwing more money at a multinational corporation, arguing with me as if it’s some sort of sin to just… not. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2025, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-alpha-players-to-pay-for-the-game/496977/80 "2025-09-15T15:10:28Z")
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