# Allow Capital Ships, Supercarriers, and Titans in Highsec **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [August 25, 2019, 7:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705 "2019-08-25T19:48:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/713 "2020-02-20T22:32:14Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > You just have to leave your country. You are free to move to LS or NS…you are not free to just move countries…try again. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/714 "2020-02-20T22:43:31Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > The ISDs barely touch the forum. You don’t see a lot of KB boasting on the forums because it’s not allowed. People talking about kills and people showing their kills are different…and it’s pretty hard to call KB a vanity project if you can’t actually use it. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I think that saying something is not possible because of forum rules is pretty much the most ludicrous argument so far in this thread. Yes, it’s par for the course for you to think a fact is ludicrous. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > that you think his braggis is acceptable because I never said acceptable…why do you always feel the need to say things people didn’t actually say? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > That’s all they care about. Really. Please back that statement-up with facts (akaproof of your claim). I’d love to see that. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Gankers rarely loot and regularly point out that ganking is not about loot. How many years did you gank for? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Based on? The resources required to build these big ships… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > And this affects you how? It makes the game look and feel like a joke. Hence CCP changing timer mechanics to make killing stations easier. The same issues will happen with the mega ships. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Yes it does, it affects the economy as many of those skins need to be bought with plex so plex price rises. …and if plex prices rise, more people sell PLEX which drops the price. Win for everyone. So PLEX prices are higher because of skins…ok then… ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/715 "2020-02-20T22:46:20Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’ve stated my position and you’ve screamed insults at me and told me that the reason it’s not a good change is that it doesn’t benefit you. Stop lying. I have said no such thing, no matter how many times you repeat your lies. > Yes, they would for all intents and purposes be a trophy. And that’s the point! You can’t _use_ your trophy, you can only stare at it and tell yourself how cool you are for owning it. “Blapping a few rats for a laugh” while making less ISK than farming in a normal ship is not what anyone thinks of when they dream of owning and using a capital ship. > [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Everyone can aspire to live a good life with decent income, health care, security, and enjoyment. You just have to leave your country. Don’t they deserve to have a good life in their own country, why force them to move? Same with highsec players. Again you demonstrate your ignorance of how EVE is supposed to work. EVE is meant to be a cold dark universe where Darwinism is the most important rule and the weak exist to be exploited and slaughtered by the strong. Stop trying to devalue success in EVE and give everyone participation trophies just for signing up. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > while tat’s true, I think most remotely empathetic people would say that aiming for equality of opportunity is a good thing. There is equality of opportunity. All players start with exactly the same opportunities. You aren’t entitled to additional opportunities just because you decide to play with a self-imposed limit of not leaving highsec. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/716 "2020-02-20T23:12:17Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Differences between the different security areas are a good thing and highsec could have it’s own “end-game” content without just reproducing what low, null and to an extent wh space has. I agree 100% with this statement, and the different regions of the game do need their own unique content. However with the exception of wormhole space, which could get supers/titans in a c7 expansion perhaps, both low/null have access to capital ships including supers and titans. There is no sov in low, but they still have supers and titans. So the argument of region diversity is moot in my eyes, you can have regional diversity, with the same access to supers and titans. Highsec, lowsec, and nullsec should have ALL ships available to them, and if wormholers wish for it, they should as well in their own way. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/717 "2020-02-20T23:14:24Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > So the argument of region diversity is moot in my eyes, Of course it is. CCP aren’t going to make this change, so it doesn’t matter whether the point is moot or not. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 11:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/718 "2020-02-20T23:15:22Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > You are free to move to LS or NS…you are not free to just move countries…try again. Actually you can quite easily move to other countries, even with limited work visa obtainment, just marry a national from the country that you want to move towards. You missed the point of my argument, they could move to another country, but don’t they deserve to live a good life in the country where they live? ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 11:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/719 "2020-02-20T23:17:23Z")
> Of course it is. > > CCP aren’t going to make this change, so it doesn’t matter whether the point is moot or not. A change that would increase player retention, make CCP a lot of money through plex/omega purchases, not to mention skin purchases, and allow for a state of permanent change in nullsec, as empires slowly build up their forces in highsec, and invade when they feel powerful enough, thus breaking up uber coalitions and making nullsec great again, and increase the happiness of highsec players, you think CCP is never going to even consider this? We’ll see 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/720 "2020-02-20T23:19:51Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > CCP is never going to even consider this? Sure they’ll consider that, but that has nothing to do with this proposal at all. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 11:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/721 "2020-02-20T23:21:32Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > but don’t they deserve to live a good life in the country where they live? They are not entitled to it…they need to work for it… > [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Actually you can quite easily move to other countries I didn’t say ‘easy’ I said ‘free’…there is a price you have to pay, like everything in life. Same in EvE. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/722 "2020-02-20T23:22:46Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > A change that would increase player retention Actually player retention would drop… See how easy it is to predict the future… ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/723 "2020-02-20T23:23:17Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Actually you can quite easily move to other countries You can even easier move regions in EVE. No visa necessary (except in highsec, where mining permits are necessary) and all rights granted. ---
**Author:** ![Bernie\_Nator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bernie_nator/32/390552_2.png) [@Bernie\_Nator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bernie_Nator)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/724 "2020-02-20T23:23:39Z")
Absolutely not. C7 space as you propose it would be a terrible idea. Wormholers live in wspace because we dont want supers and titans rolling over us. Maybe try living in one before tossing out half baked ideas. Oh wait. You tried for half a day and couldn’t get past a 3 man fleet with no logi support on a high sec hole. You’re as qualified to talk about what wormhole space needs as a flat earther telling people why the earth isnt a globe. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 11:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/725 "2020-02-20T23:25:15Z")
> You can even easier move regions in EVE. No visa necessary (except in highsec, where mining permits are necessary) and all rights granted. Remember the discussion about regional diversity and how you agree that it is a good thing? Well why should a highsec player be forced to move, when two other regions both with sperate unique characteristics get to fly capitals, up to supers and titans? Highsec players deserve to be able to fly supers and titans, and the other capital ships just as lowsec and nullsec players deserve to fly supers and titans. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 11:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/726 "2020-02-20T23:27:21Z")
> Absolutely not. C7 space as you propose it would be a terrible idea. Wormholers live in wspace because we dont want supers and titans rolling over us. Maybe try living in one before tossing out half baked ideas. I proposed c7 because you can have it be a c7 with a highsec and say c7/c8 static, you don’t have to expose the lower tier wormholes to capitals, especially since wormhole space is already designed with ship class in mind. Then again I’m proposing capitals for my home, highsec. You are more qualified to see if full capital access in certain wormholes is beneficial for the wormhole community. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 11:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/727 "2020-02-20T23:28:17Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Well why should a highsec player be forced to move No one is forced to move, but moving is easy if you want to. The same question can be asked of every space, and the answer is the same. No one is forced to move anywhere. My own view is each area of space should provide it’s own unique advantages and disadvantages, and offer a complete experience in its own way for the people that want to play there. Highsec for example, should be just as attractive for its gameplay, as nullsec is, but in different ways. Then, if you want the opportunities that one space has (eg. like seeing the opportunity available in a different country), then you can easily move there (far more easily than moving countries). > [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Highsec players deserve to be able to fly supers and titans, No one deserves anything other than what is outlined in the EULA. We aren’t entitled to have the game changed to meet our individual desires, yet we all have the same opportunity to experience everything the game offers. ---
**Author:** ![Bernie\_Nator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bernie_nator/32/390552_2.png) [@Bernie\_Nator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bernie_Nator)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 11:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/728 "2020-02-20T23:30:46Z")
Have you ever actually been in a high class wormhole? ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 11:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/729 "2020-02-20T23:47:58Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Highsec players deserve to be able to fly supers and titans, and the other capital ships just as lowsec and nullsec players deserve to fly supers and titans. Highsec players deserve to be able to shoot anyone they want without CONCORD involvement, just like nullsec and lowsec players. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 11:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/730 "2020-02-20T23:53:28Z")
lowsec space = full capital access nullsec space = full capital access highsec space = no capital access Should be full capital access for all 3 ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 11:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/731 "2020-02-20T23:54:40Z")
> Highsec players deserve to be able to shoot anyone they want without CONCORD involvement, just like nullsec and lowsec players. Nope, highsec space is where civilization is, the seat of the four empires. If you want no concord you go to lowsec or nullsec or wormhole space. Highsec players deserve to fly capitals, having capitals only for those two regions is a nerf to highsec. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 11:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/732 "2020-02-20T23:55:05Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > lowsec space = full capital access > > nullsec space = full capital access > > highsec space = no capital access > > Should be full capital access for all 3 lowsec space = shoot anyone you want with no CONCORD nullsec space = shoot anyone you want with no CONCORD highsec space = can’t shoot anyone you want with no CONCORD Should be full shoot everyone you want without CONCORD access for all 3 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705.md?page=34) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705.md?page=36)