# Allow Capital Ships, Supercarriers, and Titans in Highsec **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [August 25, 2019, 7:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705 "2019-08-25T19:48:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/753 "2020-02-21T02:20:01Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > …and that choose doesn’t not mean you are entitled to things from other areas…if you want those things, go there. you disagreeing with that is irrelevant. That only works if I argue for say sov or fw in highsec, capital access is a universal argument, even highsec used to have them before a change for a problem that no longer exists. So capitals in highsec should be restored. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/754 "2020-02-21T02:20:36Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Nope you pay a sub, you have the right to recommend positive changes to the game you pay for. Or does one have to earn a good product or service when you purchase it in your eyes? Stop moving the goalposts. This was about earning things _in game_, not about your right to have forum opinions. > Because nullsec and lowsec both have access to them, and since those players pay the same sub in order to be able to fly them as highsec players, highsec players thus deserve those ships. Highsec players have the exact same access to capitals: using them in the systems where they are legal. You aren’t entitled to buffs just because you choose to play under self-imposed limits. If you voluntarily choose to restrict yourself to not leaving highsec then you deal with the consequences of that choice. > Nope, remember different region diversity, or are you against this now? So “region diversity” only applies when it is preserving region differences that you want to maintain, and is irrelevant when the region difference is one you don’t like? CONCORD protection benefits you so that region difference needs to stay, capital restrictions limit you so they need to go. \*\*\*\*ing farmer trash double standards. > Sure, but tell me where the idea lacks positivity, it makes CCP money, improves the lives of highsec residents, and helps connect the different regions of the game. A better sandbox in all ways. It does not improve the lives of highsec residents, many of whom do not want capitals in highsec. It improves the lives of farmer trash like you. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/755 "2020-02-21T02:20:48Z")
> There’s a difference between having good customer service included in your subscription price and having guaranteed, risk-free, end-game content included in your subscription price. An utterly massive difference. > > What you’re asking for is the _ **ultimate form of Pay-To-Win** _ , which isn’t exactly popular in the EvE community. Not really, I don’t remember asking for guaranteed, risk-free, end-game content, I remember asking for capitals in highsec ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/756 "2020-02-21T02:21:19Z")
I can’t say it will or wont just as you…that’s the answer. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/757 "2020-02-21T02:21:23Z")
> You choose an areas of the game you want to live in. _ **That means you abide by the rules established for those areas.** _ Yup like concord, no issue there. > Your arguments are just getting weaker and weaker here. Not really ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/758 "2020-02-21T02:22:21Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > capital access is a universal argument You could say anything is a universal argument argument…it’s just as wrong though. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/759 "2020-02-21T02:23:03Z")
> I can’t say it will or wont just as you…that’s the answer. Increased omega subs (remember titans/supers need omega pilots), increased skin sales, because people wanna make their new ships nice with a fresh coat of nanites, and increased plex purchase, for those who want to sell plex for isk to afford new ships. Also more destruction, increasing demand game wide. So, how will my proposal not make ccp money? ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/760 "2020-02-21T02:23:28Z")
> You could say anything is a universal argument argument…it’s just as wrong though. Not really, read my response and you’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/761 "2020-02-21T02:23:29Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > nope, easily fixed by limiting doomsdays or superweapons, no sov threatened. Yep, you are ignorant farmer trash. CCP has explicitly stated that the lore reason for banning capitals from highsec is that the NPC empires view them as a threat to sovereignty and do not permit such a threat to exist in their space. If you’re going to appeal to the lore reason of “it’s where civilization is” as a reason for CONCORD then you need to accept the lore reason for banning capitals. Also, note that this lore was written before superweapons existed at all, so don’t bother trying that excuse. > Also highsec is unique in restricted pvp, that is it’s style. Also highsec is unique in banning capitals, that is its style. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/762 "2020-02-21T02:26:04Z")
> Stop moving the goalposts. This was about earning things _in game_ , not about your right to have forum opinions. Still is, please stay on topic. > Highsec players have the exact same access to capitals: using them in the systems where they are legal. You aren’t entitled to buffs just because you choose to play under self-imposed limits. If you voluntarily choose to restrict yourself to not leaving highsec then you deal with the consequences of that choice. How does a highsec player have access to ships that are not allowed in highsec, seems………impossible. > So “region diversity” only applies when it is preserving region differences that you want to maintain, and is irrelevant when the region difference is one you don’t like? I throw this question back at you, should we remove faction warfare from lowsec, because there are capital ships? Should we remove sov, or anomalies, from nullsec because there are capital ships? > \*\*\*\*ing farmer trash double standards. don’t see how insults help your argument here, please stay on topic ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/763 "2020-02-21T02:31:35Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > How does a highsec player have access to ships that are not allowed in highsec, seems………impossible. Because, just like every other player in the game, they can leave highsec and use those ships. The fact that you choose to play with self-imposed restrictions does not mean that CCP is required to give you stuff to compensate, just like I don’t get a special carrier frigate just because I define myself as a “frigate pilot” and can’t otherwise use fighters. > I throw this question back at you, should we remove faction warfare from lowsec, because there are capital ships? Should we remove sov, or anomalies, from nullsec because there are capital ships? No, because those are stupid questions to ask. Why would the existence of capital ships require the removal of those things? > don’t see how insults help your argument here, please stay on topic They help my argument by stating the obvious: that you are pathetic farmer trash. It helps remind everyone watching this thread that you are one of the most despised people in EVE, uniting even people who otherwise hate each other in their contempt for you. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/764 "2020-02-21T02:33:51Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Increased omega subs I can just as easily predict people will close their Omega subs over the watering down of Eve… > [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Also more destruction How? You can’t WD them…They can’t shoot (assuming). I believed that before you mentioned they would just be floating trophies in HS…if that’s the case there would be no risk to them… > [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > So, how will my proposal not make ccp money? I played the prediction game and found people will leave at a 1:1 ratio making this a silly pointless endeavor. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/765 "2020-02-21T02:34:54Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Not really, read my response and you’ll see. Yes really, read your response again and you will see that it could apply to anything. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/766 "2020-02-21T02:34:58Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > it makes CCP money, improves the lives of highsec residents, and helps connect the different regions of the game Lowsec and nullsec provide for those capitals to be shot at anytime, where highsec doesn’t. That needs to be addressed. Your request is simply - lowsec and nullsec have capitals, so highsec should too. You haven’t shown any of the other claims to actually be true, other than it’s what you think (no analysis of any sort presented). ---
**Author:** ![Vladamir\_Kowasaki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vladamir_kowasaki/32/188069_2.png) [@Vladamir\_Kowasaki](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vladamir_Kowasaki)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/767 "2020-02-21T02:38:26Z")
I mean he makes a good point. Nullsec has had a unfair advantage over the rest of the game due to the large alliances such as pirat and test being ptw capital nullsec dwellers ---
**Author:** ![Vladamir\_Kowasaki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vladamir_kowasaki/32/188069_2.png) [@Vladamir\_Kowasaki](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vladamir_Kowasaki)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/768 "2020-02-21T02:41:36Z")
Listen merlin, i would say you make a good point and all, but you dont. Sabus is right on this one ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/769 "2020-02-21T02:43:00Z")
> [@Vladamir\_Kowasaki](#): > > Sabus is right on this one A statement which I’m sure has nothing to do with the fact that you are a member of his corp. Is he back to posting links to this thread in ICANP corp chat and telling all of his corp members to come support his begging? ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/770 "2020-02-21T02:45:19Z")
If your goal is to fly those ships, you can but you need to do that elsewhere…ie not HS. You are letting ICANP fool you into thinking HS is EVE…it’s not. Get out of HS, make ISK and fly the ships you want to fly. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/771 "2020-02-21T02:47:29Z")
> How? You can’t WD them…They can’t shoot (assuming). I believed that before you mentioned they would just be floating trophies in HS…if that’s the case there would be no risk to them… Never mentioned the floating trophies, I entertained it but I’m of the belief that the XL weaponry and fighters should remain usable in highsec. The superweapons I’m 50/50, normally I side against them, but if someone wishes to sacrifice a titan to doomsday a high value target in highsecI feel that isn’t a problem. Ultimately it is a CCP decision either way. ---
**Author:** ![Vladamir\_Kowasaki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vladamir_kowasaki/32/188069_2.png) [@Vladamir\_Kowasaki](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vladamir_Kowasaki)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/772 "2020-02-21T02:49:44Z")
Oh trust me, it doesnt. Ever since i started this game ive wanted to fly a carrier thru jita, so i can assure you being in his corp has nothing to do with it. Besides, we need more capital ships, maybe an high sec soe titan? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705.md?page=36) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705.md?page=38)