# Allow Capital Ships, Supercarriers, and Titans in Highsec **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [August 25, 2019, 7:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705 "2019-08-25T19:48:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/773 "2020-02-21T02:50:23Z")
So then you realize that you are just going to end-up with NS in HS style arms race…and you will lose as they have WAY more ISK than you. IF CCP implemented this they there is no way you could build a Titian in an NPC station which means people would know where the Titian dockyards are…and kill them. You can’t have it both ways… ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/774 "2020-02-21T02:50:44Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > You are letting ICANP fool you into thinking HS is EVE…it’s not. Get out of HS, make ISK and fly the ships you want to fly. Exactly. Don’t buy into his helpless perma-victim attitude, where the only way to accomplish anything is to beg CCP to make the game easier. Leave ICANP, join a real corp, and you will work your way up to flying the capital ships you dream of. PS: this is your CEO’s response to the recent war you were in. He ran away from his responsibilities as CEO and left the rest of you to die, even though your sheer numbers should have been enough to defeat the people attacking you. ![war](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/2/e2e716a1cde6f33b9be8db166cf1b6d95565e176.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/775 "2020-02-21T02:51:37Z")
> [@Vladamir\_Kowasaki](#): > > Besides, we need more capital ships We really, really do not need more capital ships. Capital proliferation is one of the biggest problems with EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/776 "2020-02-21T02:51:59Z")
> Besides, we need more capital ships, maybe an high sec soe titan? Oh yes 100% 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/777 "2020-02-21T02:52:54Z")
> [@Vladamir\_Kowasaki](#): > > ive wanted to fly a carrier thru jita Sigh…this is your goal for EVE? > [@Vladamir\_Kowasaki](#): > > we need more capital ships Why? Why do we need more as your argument isn’t about quantity or types but availability based on location. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/778 "2020-02-21T02:55:03Z")
> So then you realize that you are just going to end-up with NS in HS style arms race…and you will lose as they have WAY more ISK than you. IF CCP implemented this they there is no way you could build a Titian in an NPC station which means people would know where the Titian dockyards are…and kill them. Arms race and conflict is part of why I want this change yes, I want new empires to emerge from highsec and get to stake claims in nullsec, and challenge the existing powers. Nullsec was best with lots of small alliances, great diversity in political styles, you had dictatorships, republics, even commune alliances. All of that needs to come back. As for building, my original stance and current one still is let nullsec have the ability to build them, to foster more trade between high and null. If the superpowers just force the entire map to not sell to highsec then ccp could allow for highsec and lowsec NPC stations to build them. ---
**Author:** ![Vladamir\_Kowasaki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vladamir_kowasaki/32/188069_2.png) [@Vladamir\_Kowasaki](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vladamir_Kowasaki)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/779 "2020-02-21T02:56:00Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > Sigh…this is your goal for EVE? Yes actually, i do believe that it would make for some very pretty screenshots! ---
**Author:** ![Vladamir\_Kowasaki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vladamir_kowasaki/32/188069_2.png) [@Vladamir\_Kowasaki](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vladamir_Kowasaki)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/780 "2020-02-21T02:57:09Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > IF CCP implemented this they there is no way you could build a Titian in an NPC station which means people would know where the Titian dockyards are…and kill them. Not it one of the dockyards is perimeter tranquility trading tower keepstar ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 2:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/781 "2020-02-21T02:58:00Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > I want new empires to emerge from highsec and get to stake claims in nullsec, and challenge the existing powers Absolutely nothing is stopping you now from doing that…and you have the members to actually do it…and that is what really boggles my mind; YOU have the power to take and you don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 3:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/782 "2020-02-21T03:00:25Z")
> Not it one of the dockyards is perimeter tranquility trading tower keepstar I had an idea of a single NPC ‘mega station’ one per highsec region, that allows super/titan docking access and supercap/titan building. Spread out enough to encourage people to drop keepstars between them for market hubs and pit stops. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 3:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/783 "2020-02-21T03:01:31Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > Absolutely nothing is stopping you now from doing that…and you have the members to actually do it…and that is what really boggles my mind; YOU have the power to take and you don’t. Once capitals are allowed in highsec we can definitely start stockpiling capitals for a possible invasion into nullsec. You say we have the power, but you conveniently forget that we own no supers or titans, while nullsec defenders in an invasion do. ---
**Author:** ![Vladamir\_Kowasaki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vladamir_kowasaki/32/188069_2.png) [@Vladamir\_Kowasaki](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vladamir_Kowasaki)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 3:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/784 "2020-02-21T03:03:14Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > had an idea of a single NPC ‘mega station’ one per highsec region, that allows super/titan docking access and supercap/titan building. That seems like a good idea, maybe even convert the major trade hubs like jita or dodixie into those hubs ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 3:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/785 "2020-02-21T03:03:30Z")
> We really, really do not need more capital ships. Capital proliferation is one of the biggest problems with EVE. if you truly believe that then argue for their removal completely. If you will not, then you should be in my camp, encouraging all areas of the game to have them in order to balance out the power scales and allow equal chance to compete in the sandbox. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 3:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/786 "2020-02-21T03:04:21Z")
> That seems like a good idea, maybe even convert the major trade hubs like jita or dodixie into those hubs Yup, the 4 highsec hubs should be converted for their respective regions, and the other highsec regions can have their superstation locations determined by any number of factors. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 3:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/787 "2020-02-21T03:05:08Z")
You will always have less than somebody else so you better learn to fight with what you have. Also, you need to learn to defend what you have…start in LS. You(corp) have so much potential…but your first step cannot be titians…that will end in disaster. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 3:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/788 "2020-02-21T03:13:11Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > I want new empires to emerge from highsec and get to stake claims in nullsec, and challenge the existing powers. You may want it, that doesn’t mean you will get it. Highsec will become just another resource for the existing powers to exploit because, as you have been told already, they don’t win because nullsec is magically a guarantee of power. They win because they are creative and ruthless and organized, the moment you allow highsec capitals they will use it to their advantage and have just another way to crush farmer trash like you. > [@Vladamir\_Kowasaki](#): > > Yes actually, i do believe that it would make for some very pretty screenshots! At the cost of being a miserable game experience. If you want pretty pictures just make them in photoshop, you don’t need to ruin the game for that. > Not it one of the dockyards is perimeter tranquility trading tower keepstar You realize that station would be dead as soon as capitals were allowed into highsec, right? Unless its owners had an alliance with an existing nullsec power, of course. > if you truly believe that then argue for their removal completely. If you will not, then you should be in my camp, encouraging all areas of the game to have them in order to balance out the power scales and allow equal chance to compete in the sandbox. Nonsense. Unlike you I don’t acknowledge the absurd idea that each area of the game is its own entity, all rivals of the other areas. “Highsec” and “nullsec” are not unified powers, nor is “highsec player” a useful concept. PS: “needs balancing” =/= “remove entirely”. ---
**Author:** ![Vladamir\_Kowasaki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vladamir_kowasaki/32/188069_2.png) [@Vladamir\_Kowasaki](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vladamir_Kowasaki)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 3:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/789 "2020-02-21T03:24:16Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > You realize that station would be dead as soon as capitals were allowed into highsec, right? Unless its owners had an alliance with an existing nullsec power, of course. Tranquil trading tower is part of a no aggression agreement made years ago stating that if one of the trading towers were attacked holding alliances with trading towers would ally and fend of the attackers. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 3:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/790 "2020-02-21T03:26:55Z")
> [@Vladamir\_Kowasaki](#): > > Tranquil trading tower is part of a no aggression agreement made years ago stating that if one of the trading towers were attacked holding alliances with trading towers would ally and fend of the attackers. Guess how long that agreement would last if highsec supercapital construction becomes a thing. (Hint: it would be under attack within 30 seconds of the servers coming up after the patch.) ---
**Author:** ![Vladamir\_Kowasaki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vladamir_kowasaki/32/188069_2.png) [@Vladamir\_Kowasaki](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vladamir_Kowasaki)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 3:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/791 "2020-02-21T03:31:08Z")
> [@Vladamir\_Kowasaki](#): > > Guess how long that agreement would last if highsec supercapital construction becomes a thing Probably not, i do belive that either goon or test, or both is part of that deal ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 3:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/792 "2020-02-21T03:37:15Z")
Thus the “except if it is owned by a nullsec alliance” part of that statement. If the station is owned by a major nullsec power, in complete submission to that power and allowing nobody else to build ships there, it will be targeted by every other nullsec power but possibly successfully defended by its owners. If the station is owned by anyone else it will immediately be destroyed by the titan blob. This is true for every single highsec station capable of building supercapitals. They will all either be absorbed into the nullsec powers or be destroyed by them. Nobody else will be permitted to build a station that can threaten their control. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705.md?page=37) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705.md?page=39)