# Allow full access to capitals in highsec combined with a broad ehp nerf across all capital hulls **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Tags:** balance, redesign, game-mechanics\ **Created:** [February 25, 2020, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164 "2020-02-25T21:32:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 2:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/81 "2020-03-01T02:28:43Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > the goal of this proposal is allow highsec to enjoy big ships It’s pretty ironic that a “new player corp” is pushing for the toughest and most expensive ships to get…it’s kinda like you are just using your new players to get a titian safely for yourself as they are months if not years away from being able to get one themselves (unless they dump real money of course). Also notice how out of the hundreds of players in your corp supposedly wanting this, only the CEO, who could actually afford one, is pushing for this change… Maybe teach your people how not to get slaughtered by NPCs first… Just another scam… ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 4:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/82 "2020-03-01T04:49:14Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > It’s pretty ironic that a “new player corp” is pushing for the toughest and most expensive ships to get…it’s kinda like you are just using your new players to get a titian safely for yourself as they are months if not years away from being able to get one themselves (unless they dump real money of course). I want all highsec players to have a titan as an eventuality, myself is included in that. > Also notice how out of the hundreds of players in your corp supposedly wanting this, only the CEO, who could actually afford one, is pushing for this change… Who says that there are not others? > Just another scam… This proposal is a scam? How? ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 6:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/83 "2020-03-01T06:08:14Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Nope, highsec demands access to them as well. On the contrary, they don’t. > [@SERIOUSLY: Bring All Capitals Back To HighSec. nyanparrot VOTE](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/seriously-bring-all-capitals-back-to-highsec-vote/114898): > > There is NO valid reason NOT to have Titans in High-Security Space. VOTE Yes if you agree and No if you don’t. [poll](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/seriously-bring-all-capitals-back-to-highsec-vote/114898/1) Winner gets a free Nyx! There’s nothing that supports the notion that the majority of hi-sec players want capitals in hi-sec. On the contrary, any votes on the matter (there’s been more than one on these forums) has suggested the opposite. ---
**Author:** ![Wander\_Prian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wander_prian/32/394208_2.png) [@Wander\_Prian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wander_Prian)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/84 "2020-03-01T14:21:29Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > I want all highsec players to have a titan as an eventuality, myself is included in that. Even if you get access to supers and titans in highsec, nobody will be selling them to you as building them is only possible in nullsec as it needs to be done in sov-null. No alliance or coalition is going to sell these outside of their own alliance/coalition. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/85 "2020-03-01T15:50:22Z")
> [@Wander\_Prian](#): > > Even if you get access to supers and titans in highsec, nobody will be selling them to you as building them is only possible in nullsec as it needs to be done in sov-null. Thankfully, there is a solution from the old thread! > [@Allow Capital Ships, Supercarriers, and Titans in Highsec](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/568): > > I’m for having the ability to build supers/titans in the NPC stations And for the next question: > [@Allow Capital Ships, Supercarriers, and Titans in Highsec](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/185705/294): > > perhaps … NPC owned megastations, with unique appearances _ **’similar to the new Jita IV-IV under construction’** _ , that allow you to park your supers/titans if you end up losing your citadels in war and pvp ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/86 "2020-03-01T17:51:36Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > Thankfully, there is a solution from the old thread! Aye those proposals from that other thread can be done to help alleviate the issue raised by wander. Goal of this proposal is neuter capital domination in the game, and allow highsec to enjoy the big ships at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![Sere\_O\_Asis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sere_o_asis/32/515651_2.png) [@Sere\_O\_Asis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sere_O_Asis)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/87 "2020-03-01T18:11:46Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Aye those proposals from that other thread can be done to help alleviate the issue raised by wander. Goal of this proposal is neuter capital domination in the game, and allow highsec to enjoy the big ships at the same time. You woke me up with this. > [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Goal of this proposal is neuter capital domination in the game Would you elaborate? Point by point? Most of what you’ve written on the forums has been about highsec and how you envision empowering new players; but this is different. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/88 "2020-03-01T18:48:43Z")
> [@Sere\_O\_Asis](#): > > You woke me up with this. Haha, glad to hear 🙂 > Would you elaborate? Point by point? Most of what you’ve written on the forums has been about highsec and how you envision empowering new players; but this is different. Well one of the benefits of my many chats on the forums is an appreciation for different game styles. Remember EVE is a sandbox, the best stance is to give everyone what they want. Over time I realized that while having capitals in highsec would be great for highsec, and my gameplay, I also need to broaden my proposals to include everyone else, and fix problems while I’m at it. In order to neuter capital domination, we need to look at what the capital does that makes it dominant. Capital has much more ehp, much more damage, can apply that damage better, carriers/supercarriers especially. Capital can teleport to other systems instantly, capital can buff fleet members and itself, and capital has decent warp speed/agility compared to say a battleship, only 2-3 times slower. Basically capital beats a sub-cap in every single possible way. In order to fix this problem, you need to make capitals cost more per benefit. Take for example a battleship, it should be the bread and butter of military. If you severely reduce the ehp of capitals, 20 battleships can punch out a super quickly, so capitals now are regulated to high risk high reward scenarios, you throw them on a crucial timer, or you active rep fit them and use them to make isk, and hope they don’t die. Eve was best when the determining factor of victory in nullsec gameplay was numbers and determination. Now it’s who has the most capitals. In addition, highsec needs more to aspire to than a blingy lv4 ship, having the possibility of owning a titan would be a great goal for many players to have, preventing them from quitting. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/90 "2020-03-01T18:56:43Z")
Removed an offensive post. Keep it civil. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/92 "2020-03-01T19:02:34Z")
> [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](#): > > Removed an offensive post. And so it’s not offensive when he claims to be talking about the whole HS ? That > [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Nope, highsec demands access to them as well. Is ■■■■■■■ offensive. And yes he keeps posting the same threads again and again, never learning, never discussing, but trying to force an opinion with quantity. That’s literally how you distinguish cancer from healty cells. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/93 "2020-03-01T19:07:07Z")
[Here](https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/forum-moderation-policy-en/) are the forum rules. Please feel free to read them and get reacquainted. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/94 "2020-03-01T19:12:13Z")
Then I will grease the important parts > In order to maintain an environment where everyone is welcome and discussion flows freely, certain types of conduct are prohibited on the EVE Online forums. These are: > > Trolling > Flaming > Ranting > Personal Attacks > Harassment > Doxxing > Racism & Discrimination > Hate Speech > Sexism > _ **Spamming** _ > Bumping > Off-Topic Posting > Pyramid Quoting > _ **Rumor Mongering** _ > New Player Bashing > Impersonation So wrt spamming : - [https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/221085](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/221085) - [https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-all-hulls-should-be-accessible-across-high-low-null/221092](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-all-hulls-should-be-accessible-across-high-low-null/221092) - [https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-capital-ships-supercarriers-and-titans-in-highsec/) - [https://forums.eveonline.com/t/more-accurate-capitals-in-highsec-survey](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/more-accurate-capitals-in-highsec-survey) Just to quote the other ones HE made with THIS alt. How is that NOT spamming ? for rumor mongering : > [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Nope, highsec demands access to them as well. How is this one not considered ? He just spreads BS and claims that every body in HS would want it ! ---
**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/95 "2020-03-01T19:14:09Z")
That is a valid concern. These threads have been repeatedly spammed in the forums and are basically the same thread. By the same character. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/96 "2020-03-01T19:14:56Z")
I will consider this. However, at the same time, the rules apply to all. So follow them. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/97 "2020-03-01T19:20:55Z")
Can’t we at least have just one thread like AFK Cloaking? This thread is much more constructive. > [@Capitals in Hisec? Well, Sorta](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capitals-in-hisec-well-sorta/146155/221): > > It does, if 99 other caps cannot help you, which is the case in highsec. I think I need to keep you on speed dial as my overthinking translator. Heh. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/98 "2020-03-01T19:23:04Z")
> [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](#): > > I will consider this. However, at the same time, the rules apply to all. So follow them. Thank you. Sure. But when is behavior is literally to keep spamming nonsense every time, this IS a cancerous behavior : you make people agree with you just because of the amount of time they have been exposed to your idea, so that people’s opinion becomes influenced by the quantity rather than intrinsic quality. That’s the goal of spamming stupid opinions : to rally people to your own even though it is stupid. Because that’s how people brain work, and that’s how you can manipulate people, by spamming half truth, and letting them believe it is truth. He is trying to make people tired of his BS, so that nobody explains why it’s stupid, and it looks to other people like “nobody is going against this, this must be a good idea”. What he is doing is propaganda, for a complete (_removed a word that continually causes you issues_) idea. It’s not just of him being wrong : it’s him FORCING an idea that has already been proven wrong SEVERAL TIME. (Removed a really bad analogy - ISD Dorrim Barstorlode) ---
**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 7:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/99 "2020-03-01T19:27:48Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > Can’t we at least have just one thread like AFK Cloaking? > > This thread is much more constructive. > > > [@](#): > > > > It does, if 99 other caps cannot help you, which is the case in highsec. I think I need to keep you on speed dial as my overthinking translator. Heh. ![yess](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/0/a0d35f6c7019b70b2c7dcb61faf121125d3abcc5.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/100 "2020-03-01T19:28:26Z")
Instead of that analogy, you could make a similar point by mentioning or explaining the availability heuristic. > **[Availability heuristic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_heuristic)** > > The availability heuristic, also known as availability bias, is a mental shortcut that relies on immediate examples that come to a given person's mind when evaluating a specific topic, concept, method or decision. The availability heuristic operates on the notion that if something can be recalled, it must be important, or at least more important than alternative solutions which are not as readily recalled. Subsequently, under the availability heuristic, people tend to heavily weigh their judgm Th... ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/101 "2020-03-01T19:31:19Z")
Sorry for that analogy, but it’s literally the same mechanisms that he is using. You don’t realize it, maybe you’ve not been in contact with people who use those all the times. But the fact is, he is having the same exact behavior : wear people patience off to make them abide his will. If you want another analogy, it can be the same as when children are crying in public while they don’t in private (not always…). > [@Qia\_Kare](#): > > Instead of that analogy, you could make a similar point by mentioning or explaining the availability heuristic. Sorry, it’s the first example that came to my mind. I’m not really sure if that one is related though (I didn’t know of this bias before) The bias is more like, something that is repeated several times tend to feel more correct to people (social mimicry, and the way our brain learn positive things more than negative). Maybe this one. > **[Bandwagon effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandwagon_effect)** > > The bandwagon effect is the tendency for people to adopt certain behaviors, styles, or attitudes simply because others are doing so. More specifically, it is a cognitive bias by which public opinion or behaviours can alter due to particular actions and beliefs rallying amongst the public. It is a psychological phenomenon whereby the rate of uptake of beliefs, ideas, fads and trends increases with respect to the proportion of others who have already done so. As more people come to believe Followin... ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/102 "2020-03-01T19:32:24Z")
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