# Allow full access to capitals in highsec combined with a broad ehp nerf across all capital hulls **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Tags:** balance, redesign, game-mechanics\ **Created:** [February 25, 2020, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164 "2020-02-25T21:32:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/103 "2020-03-01T19:53:19Z")
Another option would be the illusory truth effect. > **[Illusory truth effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_truth_effect)** > > The illusory truth effect (also known as the validity effect, truth effect, or the reiteration effect) is the tendency to believe false information to be correct after repeated exposure. This phenomenon was first identified in a 1977 study at Villanova University and Temple University. When truth is assessed, people rely on whether the information is in line with their understanding or if it feels familiar. The first condition is logical, as people compare new information with what they In a 201... In any event, I am only trying to present better ways to make your case. I’m trying not to come across as offended or haughty, only as helpful in facilitating intelligent debate. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/104 "2020-03-01T19:59:04Z")
> [@Qia\_Kare](#): > > In any event, I am only trying to present better ways to make your case. Yes ? Sorry but it was obvious. Well I appreciate it anyhow. My first answer was to @ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode 's edit even though I answered after your message. But yes, I think you got the correct one here. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 11:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/105 "2020-03-01T23:47:42Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > Can’t we at least have just one thread like AFK Cloaking? > > This thread is much more constructive. The thread you linked has a different proposal, he wants limited capital access in highsec, limited systems, perma war/suspect status, and he does not want to change the ehp of capitals. This thread wants a game wide strong nerf to ehp for all capitals, and for their introduction to highsec, for all types, and in all systems. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/106 "2020-03-01T23:49:15Z")
> [@Qia\_Kare](#): > > In any event, I am only trying to present better ways to make your case. I’m trying not to come across as offended or haughty, only as helpful in facilitating intelligent debate. I welcome all views on the thread don’t worry Qia, what do you think about the proposal in question, do you like the sound of a strong ehp nerf and introduction of capitals into highsec simultaneously? ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 12:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/107 "2020-03-02T00:45:41Z")
I do not personally engage in military PvP in any area of space, and I do not fly capital ships. Because of these facts, I feel I am decidedly unqualified to give an informed opinion on combat balance changes to capitals. This is one of those topics where the public good is better served if I take a back seat and listen to those with more knowledge, understanding, and experience on the subject. I am interested in the conversation exactly because it is a subject I know little about. Intelligent debate is the most educational, and that’s my motivation for butting in where I don’t belong. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 12:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/108 "2020-03-02T00:50:13Z")
> [@Qia\_Kare](#): > > I do not personally engage in military PvP in any area of space, and I do not fly capital ships. Because of these facts, I feel I am decidedly unqualified to give an informed opinion on combat balance changes to capitals. No worries friend 🙂 > This is one of those topics where the public good is better served if I take a back seat and listen to those with more knowledge, understanding, and experience on the subject. On that I am certain that you will receive a great education, lots of game mechanics to be discussed here! > I am interested in the conversation exactly because it is a subject I know little about. Intelligent debate is the most educational, and that’s my motivation for butting in where I don’t belong. I appreciate your cautiousness, but don’t be afraid to add in your opinions at anytime! You’ll be surprised at how much you can contribute. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 2:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/109 "2020-03-02T02:44:59Z")
You need to consider harder and faster… The best thing right now for his basically multiple breaches of the forum rules as others are saying is to 1.) Lock his posts 2.) disallow him from making new ones on the same topic. 3.) give him warning to be forum banned if he continues. He is literally pissing off most of the community. ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 4:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/110 "2020-03-02T04:25:10Z")
ok game developer wanna be (i remember when you were saying you are game developer and you can do this better than ccp) Give me one REAAAAAALLLLYYY good reason, why caps are needed in hisec?? I see no reason why they need to be in hisec… The only way I see a need for anything above a BS in hisec, is to take down keepstars. but IMO, if there are gonna be keepstars in hisec, they should be nerfed compared to other areas since we can’t get any bigger than BS. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 6:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/111 "2020-03-02T06:05:59Z")
[http://www.declarationsofwar.com/episodemp3/dow190.mp3](http://www.declarationsofwar.com/episodemp3/dow190.mp3) you are not getting Caps in HS give it up already Naari. ---
**Author:** ![Bronson\_Hughes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bronson_hughes/32/189075_2.png) [@Bronson\_Hughes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bronson_Hughes)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/112 "2020-03-02T12:09:39Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > Can’t we at least have just one thread like AFK Cloaking? > > This thread is much more constructive. > > [Capitals in Hisec? Well, Sorta - #221 by Bronson\_Hughes](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/capitals-in-hisec-well-sorta/146155/221) I tried to get CCP to merge the various “capitals in hisec” threads, but apparently they felt that they’re different enough to leave them separate. If CCP is okay with that, I’m okay with that. My thread is a lot quieter and easier for me to keep up with anyways. 🤪 ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/113 "2020-03-03T00:21:51Z")
> [@Jerry\_Falcone](#): > > ok game developer wanna be (i remember when you were saying you are game developer and you can do this better than ccp) Never said I was a game developer? > Give me one REAAAAAALLLLYYY good reason, why caps are needed in hisec?? You would have it if you read the proposal, a combination of increased capital usage/destruction, greater entertainment for highsec residents, and a reduction in capital domination, as the severe nerf will bring sub-capitals back as the norm in sov warfare. > but IMO, if there are gonna be keepstars in hisec, they should be nerfed compared to other areas since we can’t get any bigger than BS. The fact that keepstars are allowed is another argument in favor of capitals, if keepstars are fine, why not capitals? ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 12:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/114 "2020-03-03T00:23:50Z")
> [@Bronson\_Hughes](#): > > I tried to get CCP to merge the various “capitals in hisec” threads, but apparently they felt that they’re different enough to leave them separate. I disagree with merging them, if I’d propose a limited system perma suspect capital/dread only idea, or something similar, then yes the threads should be merged. But remember Bronson our ideas are much different, hence they need separate threads to discuss and debate. > If CCP is okay with that, I’m okay with that. My thread is a lot quieter and easier for me to keep up with anyways. 🤪 Do stop by here from time to time! ---
**Author:** ![Bronson\_Hughes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bronson_hughes/32/189075_2.png) [@Bronson\_Hughes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bronson_Hughes)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/115 "2020-03-03T01:19:28Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Do stop by here from time to time! Oh I do, quite often. I just only try to chime in when I have something constructive to say that I haven’t said a time or two before recently. You and most of the other posters here know my feelings on the topic. No need to beat folks about the head and shoulders with it. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/116 "2020-03-03T01:21:46Z")
> [@Bronson\_Hughes](#): > > Oh I do, quite often. I just only try to chime in when I have something constructive to say that I haven’t said a time or two before recently. > > You and most of the other posters here know my feelings on the topic. No need to beat folks about the head and shoulders with it. 😉 Now now, remember the more we talk about our topics the better, and the more traction that they gain. We advocates for capitals in highsec need to work together 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/117 "2020-03-03T01:32:02Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > the more traction that they gain No they don’t. There is still no traction. That’s no more than it started with and exactly where it will remain. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/118 "2020-03-03T01:33:26Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > No they don’t. There is still no traction. That’s no more than it started with and exactly where it will remain. I disagree, lots of people talking about it, I’ve had many great conversations about capitals in highsec, and learned lots about making the game both balanced and fun with this proposal. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/119 "2020-03-03T01:36:06Z")
I disagree, lots of people here talking about it, I’ve had many great conversations about keeping capitals out of highsec, and learned lots about keeping the game both balanced and fun with this stance. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/120 "2020-03-03T01:37:33Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > lots of people talking about it Yep and mostly in the negative. That isn’t traction. None of us have any ability to implement anything at all. What we know from CCP is that they are against capitals in highsec. Fullstop. Spamming a heap of not even half thought through ideas across multiple threads to increase incursions in highsec, buff mission payouts, introduce capitals…it won’t work. You’d be better off taking Bronson’s approach and focusing on just one issue that is developed into a good idea rather than just dismissing opinions that don’t agree 100% with your own (eg. your dismissal of Bronson’s proposal in his thread is an example of that). So oink away all you like. 0 traction is the same as it was before no matter how you try to add it up. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 3:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/121 "2020-03-03T03:25:07Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > lots of people talking about it Most of them are members of your corp that you told to come support your complaint threads. ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 4:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164/122 "2020-03-03T04:24:01Z")
i can’t quote it cause the topic is locked, and i was wrong i said developer when you said > Due to my _ **extensive** _ history as a game designer, [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/allow-full-access-to-capitals-in-highsec-combined-with-a-broad-ehp-nerf-across-all-capital-hulls/222164.md?page=7)