# Alpha account access to skills, ships and equipment **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 6, 2019, 7:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-account-access-to-skills-ships-and-equipment/138123 "2019-02-06T07:11:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Omnathious\_Deninard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/omnathious_deninard/32/266675_2.png) [@Omnathious\_Deninard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Omnathious_Deninard)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 1:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-account-access-to-skills-ships-and-equipment/138123/42 "2019-02-08T01:24:08Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > You’ve been here since 2006 and don’t use a forum alt? Posting with my main since 2011. ---
**Author:** ![Sol\_epoch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sol_epoch/32/379171_2.png) [@Sol\_epoch](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sol_epoch)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 10:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-account-access-to-skills-ships-and-equipment/138123/43 "2019-02-08T22:21:09Z")
Really! bookmarked lol, No I looked it up specially for you! As to running why would I do that I don’t need to run or hide unlike you! Man up post on your main! If you have one! I suspect you will continue being a sheep in your secretive corp! ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-account-access-to-skills-ships-and-equipment/138123/44 "2019-02-08T22:28:30Z")
> [@Sol\_epoch](#): > > No I looked it up specially for you! Especially for me? Did you have to go back in time to do that? Because you sure as heck posted it in C&P before you posted in response to my post. Anything else you’d like to lie about? ---
**Author:** ![Sol\_epoch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sol_epoch/32/379171_2.png) [@Sol\_epoch](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sol_epoch)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 11:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-account-access-to-skills-ships-and-equipment/138123/45 "2019-02-08T23:01:15Z")
You fell into the same catagory as the other snowflakes so it was you that gave me the idea! Grasp at some other straw snowflake! Still hiding on an alt as well! ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 11:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-account-access-to-skills-ships-and-equipment/138123/46 "2019-02-08T23:03:24Z")
Still lying and now backpedaling. Okay. ---
**Author:** ![Sol\_epoch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sol_epoch/32/379171_2.png) [@Sol\_epoch](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sol_epoch)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 11:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-account-access-to-skills-ships-and-equipment/138123/47 "2019-02-08T23:04:04Z")
You missed the grasping at straws part and Alt! lol Why I am answering you as you are irrelevant in game as here is the mystery! ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-account-access-to-skills-ships-and-equipment/138123/48 "2019-02-08T23:05:52Z")
> [@Sol\_epoch](#): > > Why I am answering you Because you like pain, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Sol\_epoch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sol_epoch/32/379171_2.png) [@Sol\_epoch](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sol_epoch)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-account-access-to-skills-ships-and-equipment/138123/49 "2019-02-08T23:06:14Z")
Something you hide from! You are as painfull as a snowflake! Don’t reply you have embarresed yourself enough! ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 11:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-account-access-to-skills-ships-and-equipment/138123/50 "2019-02-08T23:13:52Z")
All you sols have no self awareness whatsoever. You brothers? Sisters? Dad and daughter? ---
**Author:** ![Sol\_epoch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sol_epoch/32/379171_2.png) [@Sol\_epoch](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sol_epoch)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 11:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-account-access-to-skills-ships-and-equipment/138123/51 "2019-02-08T23:17:36Z")
More assumptions with no basis in fact! Told you not to reply but still you keep digging that hole! ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2019, 8:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-account-access-to-skills-ships-and-equipment/138123/52 "2019-02-09T08:14:25Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > Alas, my main has spent a decade or more in a smart corp that doesn’t allow members to do stupid things like posting with our mains. Was it right next to “don’t undock with active wardec”? ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2019, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-account-access-to-skills-ships-and-equipment/138123/53 "2019-02-09T08:18:07Z")
> [@March\_rabbit](#): > > Was it right next to “don’t undock with active wardec”? Wardec? That’s some sort of high sec thing, right? Has no impact on me one way or the other. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2019, 9:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-account-access-to-skills-ships-and-equipment/138123/54 "2019-02-09T09:18:57Z")
> [@OId\_SouI1](#): > > As a perpetual alpha myself I’d love to see CCP remove the ability for alphas to have bc and bs. Instead let us train more t2 equipment for cruiser down. Afterburners etc. let’s us few perma alphas specialize a niche or two **but will hopefully incentivize others to pay for bigger shinies**. No, go away. ---
**Author:** ![Aves\_Asio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aves_asio/32/109488_2.png) [@Aves\_Asio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aves_Asio)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2019, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-account-access-to-skills-ships-and-equipment/138123/55 "2019-02-09T10:52:43Z")
It used to be different back when ccp was selling an experience, now they are just selling advantages. ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2019, 11:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-account-access-to-skills-ships-and-equipment/138123/56 "2019-02-09T11:49:26Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > in a smart corp that doesn’t allow members to do stupid things “Sikrit” goon detected! ---
**Author:** ![Mithros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mithros/32/457168_2.png) [@Mithros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mithros)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2019, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-account-access-to-skills-ships-and-equipment/138123/57 "2019-02-09T12:06:31Z")
I said that the balance was good, but I am just talking in generalities, not specifics. I see people here saying “don’t let alphas have this but maybe give them that or the other instead”, and I wouldn’t complain about that, either. 1. Money comes and goes for some people. A sub isn’t expensive, but it’s not exactly a necessity and that makes it something that some people would let go. Letting people remain in the game, playing while not subbed, I think makes them more likely to stick around and sub again later. 1. It certainly attracts more people who, even if they never sub, serve to support the players that do by their mining or whatever, even if they just fly around and serve as target practice from time to time. 2. Finally, it can help a family or friends play together. Mom and Dad have subs, but little Steve and Stephanie want to play, too. Alpha accounts let them share the fun without taxing the budget. Mom and Dad keep their hobby rather than dropping it to find something that the kids can do with them, and the kids become potential future subscribers. Tom subscribes and wants to get his friend Tina to play, too. An alpha account lets her into the game, and even if she never subs, as long as she remains playing then Tom gets to play with his friend and that improves his enjoyment of the game and he may remain a subscriber for even longer as a result. ---
**Author:** ![Lexie\_Huren](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lexie_huren/32/351204_2.png) [@Lexie\_Huren](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lexie_Huren)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2019, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-account-access-to-skills-ships-and-equipment/138123/58 "2019-02-09T12:13:51Z")
I like your optimism. And I generally agree with the potential benefits of Alpha accounts that you’ve mentioned. I think that some of the arguing takes place over specifics of balance, rather than this sort of big picture forward thinking. But like you said - generalities. It’s good to keep sight of these things while debating the little details of it all. ---
**Author:** ![Demenis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demenis/32/119685_2.png) [@Demenis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Demenis)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 9:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-account-access-to-skills-ships-and-equipment/138123/59 "2019-02-10T09:33:17Z")
Yay more restrictions to Alpha means more people leaving the game. From this poll i see this is exactly what you want. You dont want to see more and more new people playing, instead you want more and mroe restriction which means way less players. You have to think about it, even think twice. You want EVE to be still great game with lots of new players coming in and playing? Or you want to restrict all stuff for Alpha and make people leave? I think its a lot better to keep new players, doing great first impression. Go restrict more, fail advertise F2P and in few years your gonna end up with empty game, with only long time players who loves to pew pew starting players. You gonna end up in buble which gonna pop up. You wanna save this title? Make decision, make it back sub only or make it totally free. And you dont have much time left since when Star Citizen gonna be released and gonna eat EVE on breakfast. It’s not my task to keep this game alive, its dev problem. But from what i see this days more people leaving instead of joining so yeah calculations are right. You wanna see big boom in game with new players? Make it totally free not unlimited free trial, dont make this game second job, let people enjoy game and not having to work hard for isk to pay for omega. Then you gonna see what new wave of new players is. People dont like lies, if they see “free to play” they log in and see: “you cannot do that!, you cannot do this!” half of them will leave immediately. Sorry for my language its not my native 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 9:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-account-access-to-skills-ships-and-equipment/138123/60 "2019-02-10T09:48:52Z")
> [@Mithros](#): > > Mom and Dad have subs, but little Steve and Stephanie want to play, too. Alpha accounts let them share the fun without taxing the budget. > Mom and Dad keep their hobby rather than dropping it to find something that the kids can do with them, and the kids become potential future subscribers. > > Tom subscribes and wants to get his friend Tina to play, too. An alpha account lets her into the game, and even if she never subs, as long as she remains playing then Tom gets to play with his friend and that improves his enjoyment of the game and he may remain a subscriber for even longer as a result. ■■■■■■■ hell, it isn’t snakes and ladders we’re playing! ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-account-access-to-skills-ships-and-equipment/138123/61 "2019-02-10T13:17:31Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > it isn’t snakes and ladders we’re playing! Well I’m quite certain most exotic dancers can perform on a ladder too not just poles and also just as surely they can perform with snakes as well… or other animals… might as well with Fedos if the client can pay the expenses or has one of their own the exotic dancer can borrow. 😏 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-account-access-to-skills-ships-and-equipment/138123.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-account-access-to-skills-ships-and-equipment/138123.md?page=4)