# Alpha and Omega should have their names swapped around **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 27, 2020, 12:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-and-omega-should-have-their-names-swapped-around/235824 "2020-04-27T00:19:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Madrax573](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/madrax573/32/391158_2.png) [@Madrax573](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Madrax573)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2020, 7:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-and-omega-should-have-their-names-swapped-around/235824/21 "2020-04-27T07:56:39Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Agreed, but that’s not what you originally said. I’m pretty much sure I said we should be following the naming convention of pack behaviour… ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2020, 7:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-and-omega-should-have-their-names-swapped-around/235824/22 "2020-04-27T07:57:39Z")
> [@Madrax573](#): > > Pack behaviour was around much before any form of formal alphabet It was. But the alpha animal theory is a very simplistic model that doesn’t actually capture usual pack dynamics. Hence why it’s an outdated theory that was invented by people who didn’t understand what they were looking at. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2020, 7:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-and-omega-should-have-their-names-swapped-around/235824/23 "2020-04-27T07:59:47Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > that was invented by people who didn’t understand what they were looking at. …those god damn Θ. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2020, 8:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-and-omega-should-have-their-names-swapped-around/235824/24 "2020-04-27T08:08:05Z")
Also I’m pretty sure the Alpha and Omega names here are a carry over from the old clone grades. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2020, 8:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-and-omega-should-have-their-names-swapped-around/235824/25 "2020-04-27T08:09:27Z")
Yes, it is the naming convention of previously removed clone insurance grades. Omega held the most SP. [http://games.chruker.dk/eve\_online/inventory.php?group\_id=23](http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/inventory.php?group_id=23) So Alpha and Omega clones doesnt have their names swapped. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2020, 8:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-and-omega-should-have-their-names-swapped-around/235824/26 "2020-04-27T08:25:30Z")
W.S. R&J, Act II sc II, 45-46 “_What’s in a name? that which we call a rose_ _By any other name would smell as sweet_” ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2020, 8:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-and-omega-should-have-their-names-swapped-around/235824/27 "2020-04-27T08:54:08Z")
> [@Madrax573](#): > > I’m pretty much sure I said we should be following the naming convention of pack behaviour… except this while “alpha male” of pack behaviour is BS. Very often it’s an alpha female. Also alpha means it is the one in charge of protecting the pack, not that he has more rights than the others. So yes alpha needs to eat more because otherwise it can’t fulfill its role. But making it a valuation is completely BS, it comes from a human-centric view that tries to force its own author’s misconceptions about life into animals who can’t answer him, and actually don’t give a single fock. > **[Business Insider](https://www.businessinsider.com/)** > > Business Insider tells the global tech, finance, markets, media, healthcare, and strategy stories you want to know. > The male and female co-dominate the new pack for a much simpler, more peaceful reason: They’re the parents of all the pups. sources included in the article. ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2020, 8:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-and-omega-should-have-their-names-swapped-around/235824/28 "2020-04-27T08:57:42Z")
There was a reason to upgrade your clone 🙂 me. I do miss all those angry mails I got about how it will take 40 days or whatever of training to fly their “ship” again . Happy memories. ---
**Author:** ![Brun\_Warbear](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brun_warbear/32/380353_2.png) [@Brun\_Warbear](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brun_Warbear)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2020, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-and-omega-should-have-their-names-swapped-around/235824/29 "2020-04-27T10:16:24Z")
You know the whole thing about alpha wolves or alpha dogs is complete nonsense right? Utterly discredited. Not a real thing. (Hah someone beat me to it) ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2020, 10:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-and-omega-should-have-their-names-swapped-around/235824/30 "2020-04-27T10:22:04Z")
Oh to be young, ignorant and blissfully unaware… black/white/black/white/black/white/black/white Monday morning grumps… ---
**Author:** ![Madrax573](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/madrax573/32/391158_2.png) [@Madrax573](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Madrax573)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2020, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-and-omega-should-have-their-names-swapped-around/235824/31 "2020-04-27T12:13:53Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > except this while “alpha male” of pack behaviour is BS. Very often it’s an alpha female. Also alpha means it is the one in charge of protecting the pack, not that he has more rights than the others. So yes alpha needs to eat more because otherwise it can’t fulfill its role. > But making it a valuation is completely BS, it comes from a human-centric view that tries to force its own author’s misconceptions about life into animals who can’t answer him, and actually don’t give a single fock. > > ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/9/59c7e0c406086980f4cc83b6e302041d717f261c.png) [Business Insider France – 12 Oct 16](https://www.businessinsider.fr/us/no-such-thing-alpha-male-2016-10) > > ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/b/b/bba269a86da5cc51f1eebb0841c7380c9af369b0.jpeg) > > ### [There’s no such thing as an alpha male](https://www.businessinsider.fr/us/no-such-thing-alpha-male-2016-10) > > Eric Trump recently made headlines by describing his father’s bragging about sexual assault as “alpha.” In nature, alpha males don’t exist. > > > The male and female co-dominate the new pack for a much simpler, more peaceful reason: They’re the parents of all the pups. > > sources included in the article. Who said anything about that sexist shite? ---
**Author:** ![Madrax573](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/madrax573/32/391158_2.png) [@Madrax573](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Madrax573)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2020, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-and-omega-should-have-their-names-swapped-around/235824/32 "2020-04-27T12:14:42Z")
> [@Brun\_Warbear](#): > > You know the whole thing about alpha wolves or alpha dogs is complete nonsense right? Utterly discredited. Not a real thing. > > (Hah someone beat me to it) The Alpha is the big, tough protector. The Omega is the runt of the group. This is simple observed fact and obvious to anyone who has studied animal interactions in some depth. It’s only been ‘debunked’ by woke people pushing some BS agenda… ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2020, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-and-omega-should-have-their-names-swapped-around/235824/33 "2020-04-27T12:19:47Z")
# Revelation 1:8 (KJV) 8 I am **Alpha** and **Omega** , the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. …and speaking of saviors… ![xXDZKKI](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/b/6/b6c3b9c2e5f152650005e50d8024e66f6664e2d2.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2020, 12:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-and-omega-should-have-their-names-swapped-around/235824/34 "2020-04-27T12:21:47Z")
> [@Madrax573](#): > > This is simple observed fact and obvious to anyone who has studied animal interactions in some depth. This is actually debunked by people who studied the animal interactions. This is just BS. You can’t apply the “alpha male” concept to human people, unless you are literally as stupid as a chimp. ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2020, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-and-omega-should-have-their-names-swapped-around/235824/35 "2020-04-27T12:33:30Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You can’t apply the “alpha male” concept to human people, unless you are literally as stupid as a chimp. Which is a pretty good definition of the average ‘alpha’ human male… ---
**Author:** ![Tyberius\_Graccus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyberius_graccus/32/193109_2.png) [@Tyberius\_Graccus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tyberius_Graccus)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2020, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-and-omega-should-have-their-names-swapped-around/235824/36 "2020-04-27T12:51:28Z")
alpha and omega basically means the beginning and the end ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2020, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-and-omega-should-have-their-names-swapped-around/235824/37 "2020-04-27T12:55:38Z")
![tumblr_o47ouoqbol1si3gq6o2_400](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/b/b/bb8c0cad2fbac4facfe75b2c9bb956a187922678.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2020, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-and-omega-should-have-their-names-swapped-around/235824/38 "2020-04-27T14:36:59Z")
Chimps are now having a giggle. Unless you will suggest that Jane Goodall is stupid, in which case they will ROFL. > **[From Top to Bottom, Chimpanzee Social Hierachy is Amazing!](https://news.janegoodall.org/2018/07/10/top-bottom-chimpanzee-social-hierarchy-amazing/)** > > Ever wonder how chimpanzee society works? There's a social order that gives power to Alphas, and less to others in the group. Find out more! ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2020, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-and-omega-should-have-their-names-swapped-around/235824/39 "2020-04-27T14:42:33Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Chimps are now having a giggle. Unless you will suggest that Jane Goodall is stupid, in which case they will ROFL. And the earth has two poles, your argument is invalid. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2020, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-and-omega-should-have-their-names-swapped-around/235824/40 "2020-04-27T14:44:45Z")
That wasn’t what I was referring to, I was referring to your claim that the alleged alpha omega relationship in dogs was more widely known than the Greek alphabet. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-and-omega-should-have-their-names-swapped-around/235824.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-and-omega-should-have-their-names-swapped-around/235824.md?page=3)