# Alpha changes (enforced HS green safety) **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [November 5, 2022, 10:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172 "2022-11-05T22:24:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/god_emperor_kane/32/399336_2.png) [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/God_Emperor_Kane)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/213 "2022-11-07T17:49:13Z")
Yep, At times we had to drop depots just to stop them which you cannot do anymore in JITA. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/214 "2022-11-07T17:51:13Z")
OK, I guess we were lucky then and those we ganked didn’t know about it. Which was about 12 ppls. I based my response on the fact they didn’t do it, thinking they weren’t able to. Probably just not smart enough to do it or not using scripts / not being that fast with mouse. ---
**Author:** ![Vespasiana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vespasiana/32/340506_2.png) [@Vespasiana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vespasiana)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/215 "2022-11-07T17:55:44Z")
> [@Vespasiana](#): > > Naive about what exactly? @Gix_Firebrand No answer… just as I thought. You’re just a troll who likes to get rises out of people. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/216 "2022-11-07T18:01:34Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > So you will ignore it and continue cherry picking, OK, noted… Just because I don’t want to get dragged into your personal vendetta, it’s cherry picking? Okay. Sure. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I am not and have never campaigned to remove ganking, you just think that anytime I talk about nerfs to AG and buffs to ganking that I want to remove ganking in its entirety from the game, it is forum warfare delusional thinking at best. That was a mistake on my part. I should have painted a broader spectrum here. What I was going for was the general crowd that has it out to remove ganking. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/217 "2022-11-07T18:08:54Z")
Tangent attack identified, I merely said that there was no way for anyone to identify if the character was Omega or Alpha and suggested that Githany had pulled that out of thin air as a feeling, soneome decided to go off on things that could give a clue or a feeling, and another flat out lied about being able to tell from a killmail, which was incorrect because an Alpha character can run a T2 Catalyst. Where is the personal vendetta on my part? > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > That was a mistake on my part. I should have painted a broader spectrum here. What I was going for was the general crowd that has it out to remove ganking. Thank you for correcting that, I appreciate it. o7 ---
**Author:** ![Vespasiana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vespasiana/32/340506_2.png) [@Vespasiana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vespasiana)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/218 "2022-11-07T18:09:36Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > What I was going for was the general crowd that has it out to remove ganking Is there a list of players in that crowd? Who are those guys? I haven’t yet met anyone in game who told me he’d like for ganking to be removed. Do we know who those vandals are? ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/219 "2022-11-07T18:10:37Z")
> [@Vespasiana](#): > > Afraid of the truth? I mean I wouldn’t exactly call the R word the truth 😃 More like a comforting lie you tell yourself. > [@Vespasiana](#): > > Naive about what exactly? Well the criminal thing my guy. It’s cute you think that. Again it must be nice to be so naive. > [@Xeux](#): > > Without Gix, there wouldn’t even be a forum. Half the posts on here are his. The other half are people responding to him. It ain’t much, but it’s honest work 😃 > [@Vespasiana](#): > > I saw and put up with many horrible things in my life. > Some forum troll isn’t going to ruffle my feathers. My guy, we’re just playing a spaceship vidya game. Maybe try to keep some perspective 😃 > [@Vespasiana](#): > > @Gix_Firebrand No answer… just as I thought. You’re just a troll who likes to get rises out of people. Erm apparently you’re also naive about time zones 😃 > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Tangent attack identified, Who talks like this bro? Your self narrative in your head must be wild 😃 > [@Dracvlad](#): > > suggested that Githany had pulled that out of thin air as a feeling, soneome decided to go off on things that could give a clue or a feeling It appears someone is feeling a lot of feelings 😃 Well @Githany_Red? I did try to warn you. See how easily you get turned on? ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/220 "2022-11-07T18:13:19Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Normally when an AG makes a statement with nothing to back it up you lot go after them, but you did not do it for that statement, you do know it works both ways don’t you? You’re vendetta to pull out any hypocrisy by the ganking crowd. We all do it, and I don’t want to get dragged into it. As you are now trying to do, again. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/221 "2022-11-07T18:15:16Z")
> [@Vespasiana](#): > > Is there a list of players in that crowd? Who are those guys? I haven’t yet met anyone in game who told me he’d like for ganking to be removed. Do we know who those vandals are? I’ll be more than happy to continue this conversation with your main. I don’t enjoy wasting time with alts. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/222 "2022-11-07T18:16:53Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > I’ll be more than happy to continue this conversation with your main. > > I don’t enjoy wasting time with alts. > > Thank you. I really feel like Viola Davis in the Help man. Don’t these people get tired of the alt hiding? ---
**Author:** ![Vespasiana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vespasiana/32/340506_2.png) [@Vespasiana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vespasiana)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/223 "2022-11-07T18:18:28Z")
@Gix_Firebrand Sorry Gix. Didn’t mean to make you hate me. Now there is no more ground for us to communicate on. Oh well, small loss. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/224 "2022-11-07T18:18:54Z")
? I don’t hate you bro. You make me laugh 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/225 "2022-11-07T18:23:41Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Don’t these people get tired of the alt hiding? Apparently not. As Albert Einstein said. The definition of insanity is doing the same over and over and expecting different results. That’s why I’ve decided to no longer converse with alts. I don’t have the patience to deal with insanity anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Vespasiana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vespasiana/32/340506_2.png) [@Vespasiana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vespasiana)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/226 "2022-11-07T18:40:20Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > I’ll be more than happy to continue this conversation with your main I don’t think you would 'cause this is my main. But since you don’t believe that I’ll tell you who my main is and maybe one of them will strike your fancy: Aiko Danuja… no? I understand. Vokan Narkar… yes? Maybe? Xeux… naaah Advenat Bedala… could be, eh? Rail Jak’ar… sounds good. Nope? Minimus Maximus… yea? See, whatever name I’ll dig up you won’t know if it’s a main, an alt or another player but you prefer this guessing game bullsh- rather than accepting that Vespasiana is my main because you need serious doses of anti-paranoia and I hope you get it all. Meanwhile, you ignoring me is probably what’s best for _me_ so thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/227 "2022-11-07T18:41:21Z")
> [@Vespasiana](#): > > Words I’ll be more than happy to continue this conversation with your main. ---
**Author:** ![Vespasiana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vespasiana/32/340506_2.png) [@Vespasiana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vespasiana)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/228 "2022-11-07T18:45:20Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > I’ll be more than happy to continue this conversation with your main Same. I’ll be somewhat happy to continue this whatever we’re having with your main or even alt would do, just as long as paranoia isn’t an issue for that character. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/229 "2022-11-07T19:01:04Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > You’re vendetta to pull out any hypocrisy by the ganking crowd. Fair point, but it is based on a lot of personal experience and my feelings that gankers showing that hyprocrisy over many years of posting. > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > We all do it, and I don’t want to get dragged into it. As you are now trying to do, again. Yeah we all do it to some degree, but I do accept peoples feelings and experiences as having some validity, but true facts and clear related data are what really matters, if they are available. In any case I think CCP have explained why they made this change, so people will just have to live with it. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/230 "2022-11-07T19:02:33Z")
Ya, I just don’t want to get into a pissing contest of They said this, but do that. It’s not really productive, and like I said, we’re all hypocrites to some degree. I know I am. Thanks for your understanding. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 7:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/231 "2022-11-07T19:27:53Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > As far as I am concerned that 90% figure was pulled out of the air based on their feeling, it might be right, but but it might also be wrong. Yes your right, fleets of gankers must be omega as multi boxes can only fly omega’s that’s all, who would argue against that😊 ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/232 "2022-11-07T19:29:08Z")
It’s not being hypocrites. It’s being human. Your brain makes up a choice then try to find reasons for it. You can’t escape that, because your brain engraves your experiences, your feeling, before logic. When there is some idea you’ve been living with for years, you can’t even imagine it being wrong. Its not that you don’t want : your brain physically _can’t_ because the amount of “rewiring” is too important. This can lead to cognitive dissonance when you are proven to be wrong. And HERE is where you find people’s value : everybody makes fundamental mistakes, the good people are those that accept that, and as such try to not force their opinion on others. The bad ones are the bigots who try to force other people but in the process are only fooling themselves by their unconscious fear of being wrong. And you recognize them at the way they make personal attacks when they are proven wrong. The way they systematically resort to insults, to strawmen, when there is something their brain can’t handle. You can clearly see the dangling screws , the sparks and the cogs being forced. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172.md?page=12)