# Alpha changes (enforced HS green safety) **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [November 5, 2022, 10:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172 "2022-11-05T22:24:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 5:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/316 "2023-01-03T05:48:07Z")
Who is that with? ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/317 "2023-01-03T12:09:57Z")
Obviously, no one anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/318 "2023-01-03T12:12:25Z")
I drink while I RP so if you ever get the wrong idea, it could be due to my Pilot is drunk on ethanol. / In saying this, Frostpacker opposes the green safety of Alpha Pilots as it is the same as telling someone that they should not drink the hand sanitiser gel! ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/319 "2023-01-03T12:51:04Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Having a fun time! I see, a ganker. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/320 "2023-01-03T16:33:39Z")
Well, it should be obvious that nobody is going to be having “fun” doing Eve’s PvE. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/321 "2023-01-03T17:32:56Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > PvE PVE - Player Very Empty (head) ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/322 "2023-01-03T19:28:20Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Well, it should be obvious that nobody is going to be having “fun” doing Eve’s PvE. That’s why there is Stardew Valley. At least there it feels like something more productive than mindlessly grinding for isk. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/323 "2023-01-03T21:23:58Z")
“isk, isk isk” ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/7/8/278d84676a84e3c82ad4fbf8f6fec7eb5a2d4e8b.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Ancantes\_Auge\_Dunier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ancantes_auge_dunier/32/323591_2.png) [@Ancantes\_Auge\_Dunier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ancantes_Auge_Dunier)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/324 "2023-01-03T22:18:59Z")
50 000 VENTURES ganked last year over 40 000 t1 probers ganked last year. CRY ME A RIVER newbro ships are TOP GANKED SHIPS IN THE EVE. You cant lie about facts… ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/325 "2023-01-03T22:51:45Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > wrong idea No worries. CCP started to drive out all my friends pretty much 10 yrs ago. Finding reliable replacements was not as easy I thought it would be. > [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > I see, a ganker. You should have chk’ed out our wh when I active to find out how fast that came true! 😉 Poor guy comes in, doesn’t ds. Corp m8 sees him on ds/docks. I launch a scout/warp to safe spot. He never saw her on ds nor the probes she launched/finds him. I launch tackle du jour and pounce. I’m a ganker, I admit. 😜 > [@Ancantes\_Auge\_Dunier](#): > > newbro ships But not all new players. And not all in HS. > [@Ancantes\_Auge\_Dunier](#): > > CRY ME A RIVER Cry me moar salt! 😘 ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/326 "2023-01-04T22:05:05Z")
As we can see there are a few Capsuleers who decide to express their views about EveOnline using alts to support a side in the debates regarding the changes like this green safety for all alpha clone states. Some friends of old can always be replaced with the new if it only means sticking to the topic and debate, though losing long standing communication from Capsuleers as a whole would take a dent in your feelings and I am sorry for those feelings but it is also a part reason why I decided to be more than one person in my role to communicate and had not always been like this for me in other online adventures of my past. I don’t handle loss of friendship very well and it effects the time and money I spend in the future so I decided when starting Eve Online to be here to maintain different personalities that can become a replacement of a online friend as I had learnt the hard way of appling myself to a group only to have that group move onto new or different things. (Meaning I moved away from a frowned upon niche involving online entertainment over to a more acceptable mainstream focus). (note to future self; _was not serious about the hand sanitiser gel_!) ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 10:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/327 "2023-01-04T22:06:40Z")
> [@Ancantes\_Auge\_Dunier](#): > > 50 000 VENTURES ganked last year over 40 000 t1 probers ganked last year. > > CRY ME A RIVER newbro ships are TOP GANKED SHIPS IN THE EVE. > > You cant lie about facts… Post some facts. Those figures are pure fantasy. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2023, 1:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/328 "2023-01-05T01:57:36Z")
Scipio, he _identifies_ as _50,000 ventures ganked last year._ No facts are needed. It’s all subjective! ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2023, 2:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/329 "2023-01-05T02:05:38Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > No facts are needed. Facts are hard to prove. Why would he provide any? ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2023, 2:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/330 "2023-01-05T02:24:59Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > he _identifies_ as _50,000 ventures ganked last year._ Ah damn. Gender is such a confusing subject these days. He must be right then. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2023, 2:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/331 "2023-01-05T02:49:53Z")
They have zero proof that any sort of numbers were that high last year. Clearly a missguided attempt to deceive the Court here in Crime & Punishment zKIllboard offers an advanced search and looking at just one month at Dec Y124 came to 434 > **Dec Y124 came to 434** > > ![Venture-Dec-y124-Highsec-PVP](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/1/3/3135e6f626ab632f65326366a04c148ca2fcde0a.jpeg) Remembering even those are over stating as within those are mixed in _actual pvp_ numbers for the Venture that month. 90 days search option shows 1548 Venture ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2023, 3:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/332 "2023-01-05T03:05:16Z")
Facts… 🙄 What are those these days? > [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > 90 days search option shows 1548 Venture To which I shot none. Sorry everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2023, 3:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/333 "2023-01-05T03:12:59Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > 90 days search option shows 1548 Venture zkill isn’t the best source of data for Ventures. The MER shows these numbers killed in highsec last year, from all pvp sources, not just ganking (December is just waiting on the MER to be published): | Month | Highsec | | --- | --- | | Jan | 706 | | Feb | 622 | | Mar | 1396 | | Apr | 728 | | May | 718 | | Jun | 475 | | Jul | 713 | | Aug | 655 | | Sep | 528 | | Oct | 761 | | Nov | 666 | | Total | 7968 | ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2023, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/334 "2023-01-05T20:36:20Z")
> [@Ancantes\_Auge\_Dunier](#): > > You cant lie about facts… You can lie about anything you want to. If I tell you that everything I say is a lie, am I a liar? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2023, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/335 "2023-01-05T20:38:38Z")
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