# Alpha changes (enforced HS green safety) **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [November 5, 2022, 10:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172 "2022-11-05T22:24:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 2:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/417 "2023-01-16T02:17:43Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > You’re still missing the point that the only reason they are a “juicer target” is because of an NPC item that bypasses normal drop rules to be a guaranteed payoff for any attacker. No I’m not ‘missing’ it. I agree with things being that way. I’d find it absurd if a 2-3bn ISK structure dropped nothing. It is you who keep missing the fact that if people can’t defend something, they should not put it up in space. ‘Don’t undock what you cannot afford to lose’ applies to everything…including stations. > [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > A “ruthless game” in which you fly with an alliance that farms the least risky structures for an easy payoff. Well its odd how you originally called me a ‘liar’ when I said that members got any share at all. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 2:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/418 "2023-01-16T02:19:57Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > I don’t trust you, but for the sake of augment, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Just for a chuckle! What is your vested interest in the matter ? I mean its obvious you have one. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 2:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/419 "2023-01-16T02:24:28Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > Maybe we need something like a players structure Union. And if that union gained an N+1 advantage you’d have no destruction…in a game that relies on destruction to keep the economy going. Eve _needs_ things going ‘kaboom’. It is the perennial problem of Eve, it needs destruction but nobody wants to be on the receiving end of it. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 2:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/420 "2023-01-16T02:27:02Z")
I started in a small corp. CCP killed it along with 2/3 of its player base. [homer doh youtube - Google Search](https://www.google.com/search?q=homer+doh+youtube&sxsrf=AJOqlzXuPAva1vSH8oeqRqq8jpiMylOMOQ%3A1673835829923&ei=NbXEY-n5N4vk5NoP9sSnuA8&oq=homer+duh+you&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQARgAMgYIABAWEB46CggAEEcQ1gQQsAM6BwgAELADEEM6BwgAEIAEEAo6BQgAEIYDSgQIQRgASgQIRhgAUNAKWM4iYIw0aAFwAXgAgAGGAYgBmwOSAQMyLjKYAQCgAQHIAQnAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz-serp#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:e0ec68a8,vid:cnaeIAEp2pU) How long have you been playing again? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 2:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/421 "2023-01-16T02:30:25Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > How long have you been playing again? Long enough to have an alt in a 300 man corp and a 200 man corp…neither of which had a station. Long enough to have my own corp ( HQ in Vittenyn ). In fact I still have it. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 2:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/422 "2023-01-16T02:31:38Z")
And… What does that have to do with being in a small corp? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 2:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/423 "2023-01-16T02:32:37Z")
Seriously ? A corp can get to 300 and 200 people without ever owning a player station, and that’s irrelevant ? ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 2:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/424 "2023-01-16T02:33:40Z")
Yes, compared to what it takes a small corp to do the same. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 2:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/425 "2023-01-16T02:36:04Z")
I like salt but I’m too old to add it to my food anymore! 😡 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 2:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/426 "2023-01-16T02:39:04Z")
Surely the whole idea of a small corp is to become a big corp, and not take on big corp aspirations without doing so. If I put up a Raitaru in Vittenyn…which my 2 man corp could not possibly defend…would I seriously expect passers by to just think ’ Oh, that’s Altara’s Raitaru…we’d better leave it as its just a piddling little corp and we should wait until the corp is 1000 people and then come back ’ ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 2:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/427 "2023-01-16T02:40:35Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Surely the whole idea of a small corp is to become a big corp, and not take on big corp aspirations without doing so. You are a noob! Wow, I thought you were just a front… ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 2:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/428 "2023-01-16T02:42:47Z")
Oh I see…so you want all the defence benefits of a 200 man corp, with a 5 man corp. I get it. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 2:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/429 "2023-01-16T02:45:48Z")
No, I want just a chance to survive. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > so you want all the defence benefits of a 200 man corp So how would I get this with a small corp? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 2:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/430 "2023-01-16T02:49:04Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > So how would I get this with a small corp? If you had some form of extra protection ( or lack of juicyness ) for small corps, then large corps could simply create lots of small holding corps for un-juicy stations that could moon mine or whatever to their heart’s content and take advantage of it all. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 2:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/431 "2023-01-16T02:49:49Z")
We had that till the core change. Next. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 2:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/432 "2023-01-16T02:52:06Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > No I’m not ‘missing’ it. I agree with things being that way. I’d find it absurd if a 2-3bn ISK structure dropped nothing. Why? A dread Hull costs more than that and the Hull drops nothing. Certainly no magic NPC loot. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > It is you who keep missing the fact that if people can’t defend something, they should not put it up in space Which means you only think big alliances should be allowed structures. Except now you’ll start screaming at me claiming I’m putting words in your mouth. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Long enough to have an alt in a 300 man corp and a 200 man corp…neither of which had a station. You sure they didn’t have holding corps with structures? > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Surely the whole idea of a small corp is to become a big corp Why? What’s the matter with not wanting to end up in some gigantic blob of players? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 2:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/433 "2023-01-16T02:52:15Z")
Then, as the prior situation was fully exploitable maybe _that_ is the reason CCP made the change. In which case I agree with it even more. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 2:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/434 "2023-01-16T02:54:47Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Then, as the prior situation was fully exploitable In what way was it exploitable? ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 2:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/435 "2023-01-16T02:55:03Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > fully exploitable In what way? We got blapped a bunch of times. But never lost the station, just wasn’t worth it except for the chance of a fight. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 2:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/436 "2023-01-16T02:55:16Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > Which means you only think big alliances should be allowed structures. Everyone should be ‘allowed’ structures. Everyone should be ‘allowed’ to park their prize battlecruiser at the gate camp at Ahbazon. Everyone should be ‘allowed’ to mine for 3 days non stop in a barge without ever looking at the screen while binge watching Netflix. You get the gist ? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172.md?page=20) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172.md?page=22)