# Alpha changes (enforced HS green safety) **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [November 5, 2022, 10:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172 "2022-11-05T22:24:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/151 "2022-11-07T15:34:51Z")
“Stop right there criminal scum!” ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/152 "2022-11-07T15:45:21Z")
It is obvious that CCP just wants to grab more money, as such they should have allowed alphas, ie. non-paying customers, to be able to gank, but only other non-paying customers. This would motivate all those alphabears worried about the multibox alpha fleets to sub. Double win for CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Vespasiana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vespasiana/32/340506_2.png) [@Vespasiana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vespasiana)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/153 "2022-11-07T15:47:32Z")
> [@Arya\_Yeshe](#): > > The United States of America is highsec, but criminals can drive around, walk on the street It’s only a matter of time until they’re Rodney Kinged. All criminals living in the US are on search warrants and borrowed time. Doesn’t mean they are _allowed_ to be criminals. > [@Arya\_Yeshe](#): > > but if you walk in the wrong place in Detroit, St. Louis and others you could get ganked. No need to be in the US to get ganked in real life. Virtually every city has their ganksters. Try Paris, you’ll love it. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/154 "2022-11-07T15:50:41Z")
It is more like how on earth can Githany actually know if someone is a alpha or omega. Normally when an AG makes a statement with nothing to back it up you lot go after them, but you did not do it for that statement, you do know it works both ways don’t you? There is nothing that tells another player the status of a character. As far as I am concerned that 90% figure was pulled out of the air based on their feeling, it might be right, but but it might also be wrong. > [@Xeux](#): > > You can tell from the ship fitting on the killmail. But, that is not a definite either, I think you can train T2 small guns and the T2 Mag field stab on an alpha so that offers no clues either, nice try though, made me log in on my alpha account to verify that before telling you that. You are so wrong as there is nothing on a ganking Catalyst fit that will tell you because an Alpha can run the lot, your triumphalism was misplaced… > [@Xeux](#): > > But everything in the post is wrong. It is hard not to offer a helping hand sometimes. Nothing wrong at all, you are just trolling ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/155 "2022-11-07T15:51:24Z")
You can tell from the ship fitting on the killmail. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/156 "2022-11-07T15:51:36Z")
CCP should just delete the accounts of all us undesirables, starting with those Alphas they seem to have decided arent worth the server time. ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/157 "2022-11-07T15:51:40Z")
> [@Vespasiana](#): > > Try Paris, you’ll love it. Last time family went to Paris they came back saying it’s full of suspect baiting, ninja looters and can flippers, but no actual ganks ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/158 "2022-11-07T15:52:35Z")
Were the isk doublers reliable? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/159 "2022-11-07T15:52:40Z")
You fell into a classic Vlad trap. Of talking to him ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/160 "2022-11-07T15:56:06Z")
He makes these huge posts, which makes him seem thoughtful. But everything in the post is wrong. It is hard not to offer a helping hand sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![Vespasiana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vespasiana/32/340506_2.png) [@Vespasiana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vespasiana)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/162 "2022-11-07T15:59:51Z")
> [@Arya\_Yeshe](#): > > Last time family went to Paris they came back saying it’s full of suspect baiting, ninja looters and can flippers, but no actual ganks They must’ve stuck to the good parts of town, the tourists areas. ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/163 "2022-11-07T16:00:06Z")
Yes, that’s true ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/164 "2022-11-07T16:04:24Z")
When I lived in Lima, Peru, I found a chiropractor that had lived down there for a few years. His clinic was in the authentic part of town. He took taxis everywhere. He said that he had been robbed seven times by taxi drivers, 5 had a knife and 2 had a gun. He said it like it was as normal as stepping in gum. ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/165 "2022-11-07T16:08:04Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > It is more like how on earth can Githany actually know if someone is a alpha or omega. I don’t even need the fit, we all can see just by how it aligns, the Omegas will warp faster, fly faster, deal more damage on the kill report, there’s also the fits. There’s also the fact that you can clearly see that pilot is always alone, logs on and off alone, warping alone, or just being added to a bigger fleet. Alphas are sidekicks in most cases, but they add a lot of dps in the dps pool since there’s a second person behind the alt clicking since the gank begins. So an alpha does more damage then the last omega of your alt list. It’s not hard telling who’s alpha or omega, this tells that @Githany_Red was on grid watching and doing the antigank… this also means you weren’t but you are 10x more voiceful than him. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/166 "2022-11-07T16:09:18Z")
There is nothing in what you said that confirms an account status, you can guess at best. As for the little insult at the end, cry more please lol… ---
**Author:** ![Vespasiana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vespasiana/32/340506_2.png) [@Vespasiana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vespasiana)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/167 "2022-11-07T16:11:27Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > He said that he had been robbed seven times by taxi drivers, 5 had a knife and 2 had a gun There’s real dangerous places in the world, none to be underestimated. I almost got myself in real serious trouble in Harlem and then in East L.A some 10 years later. I was really surprised to have walked away with nothing missing. Same for Marseilles, the French Chicago. Most westerners living in First World Countries have barely any idea how dangerous a lot of those places are. I blame the News in general for trying to make us believe dreamland narratives yet cannot enlighten people on the dangers lurking in those “tourist destinations”. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/168 "2022-11-07T16:13:01Z")
The news wants to focus on sensational, rare crimes like cannibal serial killers. They don’t want to tell us about common, real threats like pickpockets and window-smashing petty criminals. ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/169 "2022-11-07T16:14:17Z")
If you were on grid, like ever, then your capacity of understanding and absorving knowledge is really suffereable Depending on the hull I can tell which afterburner the pilot is using and if it’s alpha or omega It’s not hard ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/170 "2022-11-07T16:14:50Z")
You cannot confirm that the person is an Alpha or an Omega, it is a guess, nothing more than that. And more tears in the insult, keep at it, I find it amusing. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172/171 "2022-11-07T16:16:28Z")
See, like I said, they win and all they want to do is twist the knife. Then theyll wait, and ask for more changes, and chase more people out, then laugh and twist the knife again. All while calling out insults while making them. There is not moral high ground here, just the death of anything other than unending conflict. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-changes-enforced-hs-green-safety/383172.md?page=9)