# Alpha Clone Changes **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [January 4, 2025, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-changes/473136 "2025-01-04T21:39:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-changes/473136/1 "2025-01-04T21:39:23Z")
TLDR: Barring a new type of clone (Delta), introduce some changes to Alphas. No changes to existing Alpha clones that are already maxed out at 20.5 million skill points. This is both a buff and a nerf for new Alphas. . . . . . • Alphas may train for free up to a maximum of **7.5 million skill points** • Alphas receive a **1.25x bonus to skill training** • Alphas can add skills points in the Alpha set up to **15 million skill points** • Alphas **can no longer** train into battlecruisers, battleships or any large weapons Existing Alpha clones with skill points in battlecruisers, battleships or large weapons may retain them - but these skills are inaccessible in the future for training (or for new Alpha clones). In addition, Alphas with more than 15 million skill points retain these - but can no longer inject any skill points beyond 15 million. This makes existing Alpha clones with skills in battlecruisers, battleships and large weapons more valuable. ---
**Author:** ![Eryca\_Clawyer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eryca_clawyer/32/396967_2.png) [@Eryca\_Clawyer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eryca_Clawyer)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-changes/473136/2 "2025-01-04T21:58:02Z")
If you want more Value in the Character - buy Omega Time. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-changes/473136/3 "2025-01-04T21:58:45Z")
Did you actually read the suggested changes? ie: • No changes for existing Alpha clones • New Alpha clones can train slightly faster (+25%), but are capped at 7.5/15 million skill points and can no longer train into battlecruisers, battleships or large weapons. ---
**Author:** ![Eryca\_Clawyer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eryca_clawyer/32/396967_2.png) [@Eryca\_Clawyer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eryca_Clawyer)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-changes/473136/4 "2025-01-04T22:01:14Z")
I am completely indifferent to the things suggested here. Alphas can already do a lot in the game and it’s completely free. Why should you get any more? I REALLY wish for the times back when you only had 14 days as a trial… ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-changes/473136/5 "2025-01-04T22:02:23Z")
> [@Eryca\_Clawyer](#): > > Why should you get any more? I REALLY wish for the times back when you only had 14 days as a trial… Please re-read the original post. New Alphas clones have a lower skill point cap and additional limits on which skills they can train into. I can’t really simplify it any more than that… ---
**Author:** ![0ptimus\_Swine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/0ptimus_swine/32/385816_2.png) [@0ptimus\_Swine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/0ptimus_Swine)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-changes/473136/6 "2025-01-04T22:09:56Z")
I think he’s saying you should pay for the game to play it. Seems pretty simply to me. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 10:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-changes/473136/7 "2025-01-04T22:10:46Z")
Sure, not my call though… I could say “ditch Alphas” - but that would probably just escalate into a fight… ---
**Author:** ![Akolja-Oenris\_Frael](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akolja-oenris_frael/32/446553_2.png) [@Akolja-Oenris\_Frael](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akolja-Oenris_Frael)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 10:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-changes/473136/8 "2025-01-04T22:14:55Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > Barring a new type of clone (Delta), introduce some changes to Alphas. No changes to existing Alpha clones that are already maxed out at 20.5 million skill points. This is both a buff and a nerf for new Alphas Then you will be crying about EVE doesn’t have enough players 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 10:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-changes/473136/9 "2025-01-04T22:16:45Z")
> [@Akolja-Oenris\_Frael](#): > > Then you will be crying about EVE doesn’t have enough players If this was implemented, or…? (not sure I understand your comment) ---
**Author:** ![Akolja-Oenris\_Frael](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akolja-oenris_frael/32/446553_2.png) [@Akolja-Oenris\_Frael](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akolja-Oenris_Frael)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-changes/473136/10 "2025-01-04T22:20:23Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > (not sure I understand your comment) Let me make it clearer then: ![1000004569](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/6/c/a6c510f9d2541ac8660b9dea5ba115bb03eb6b5f.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-changes/473136/11 "2025-01-04T22:20:54Z")
Haha. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2025, 11:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-changes/473136/12 "2025-01-04T23:17:24Z")
Why? What exactly is the purpose of the suggested changes? A buff to Alpha training speed, but also a nerf to available ships for Alphas? What is it you’re trying to accomplish? Also why would it be a good idea to have some Alpha accounts ‘grandfathered’ into battlecruisers and battleships? Wouldn’t that make it feel unfair to new Alpha pilots to know that they never can compete with other Alpha players? I think Alphas are in a good place now, I’m missing the reason why they should be changed. ---
**Author:** ![0ptimus\_Swine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/0ptimus_swine/32/385816_2.png) [@0ptimus\_Swine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/0ptimus_Swine)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2025, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-changes/473136/13 "2025-01-05T20:25:18Z")
Quality over quantity. ---
**Author:** ![Leila\_Bloodstorm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leila_bloodstorm/32/443070_2.png) [@Leila\_Bloodstorm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Leila_Bloodstorm)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2025, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-changes/473136/14 "2025-01-06T13:23:01Z")
I’d be happy if they allowed ONE Alpha to multi-box with an Omega, and let Alpha’s use T1 salvage/mining/utility drones. Taking away battleships I suppose makes sense, but if you’re going to allow medium weapons then you should allow battlecruisers. The SP caps, to me, are less annoying than skill level caps. But thats just my personal preference. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2025, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-changes/473136/15 "2025-01-06T14:42:44Z")
> [@Leila\_Bloodstorm](#): > > I’d be happy if they allowed ONE Alpha to multi-box with an Omega NO Even I would abuse the shite out of that ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2025, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-changes/473136/16 "2025-01-06T15:45:40Z")
> [@Max\_Deveron](#): > > Even I would abuse Not to mention it would result in financial net loss for CCP. 🤔 :psyccp: ---
**Author:** ![Leila\_Bloodstorm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leila_bloodstorm/32/443070_2.png) [@Leila\_Bloodstorm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Leila_Bloodstorm)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2025, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-changes/473136/17 "2025-01-06T16:19:40Z")
I was thinking one alpha per player, regardless of how many omegas they have. I suppose that wouldn’t work well anyway. It would get VERY abused. Now that drone thing is just annoying though. T2 combat but not T1 non-combat just doesn’t seem like it’s much of a stretch. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2025, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-changes/473136/18 "2025-04-06T16:19:44Z")
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