# Alpha clone suicide ganking need to stop! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 1, 2020, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191 "2020-03-01T19:50:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2020, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/185 "2020-03-06T18:13:39Z")
> [@Pandabeer](#): > > We suspect it’s a problem. But how should we know since the game is designed in such a way to hide the problem if it exists. Make Alpha’s identifable and people will be able to see if there is an issue. Ok, not trying to shock you here bra, but did you know that all your efforts and bitter tears you shed here about a problem you only suspect and are in no position to be even certain about actually exists, are completely and utterly wasted. There is an item introduced even before alpha that let’s you create as many almost completely free suicide gank alts as you want. It is called the “skill extractor”. A gank alts has a limited requirement of useful SP after which you can just drain him of the omega SP that accumulate over a month and sell them for a new PLEX for another month of omega. Maybe there are some people that gank with alpha accounts. The fact is, that is completely inefficient and stupid given that you could just get an almost free omega alt that is far more efficient and legally multiboxable. So what are you trying to achieve here in the end? That stupid people are forced to gank more efficiently? That is one thing this would achieve. The second thing, and this is why I’m against it is that ACTUAL new alpha pilots are walled off from highsec piracy and that is just a bad thing. Removing interesting content no matter how niche without replacement is just not good for the game and will not attract more people. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2020, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/186 "2020-03-06T18:14:46Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > 😮 how did we end up on the same side of the argument? IDIC strikes again! 😁 PS: I don’t argue against _you_, or Daichi or Pedro… I just argue against concepts that I think are bad for the long-term viability of EVE. I back my arguments up with fact, precedent or example wherever I can, but in most cases they’re still just my opinion. You say reasonable things at times, Daichi does fairly often, Pedro does most of the time… and all those opinions have validity in different areas. In this particular case it’s pretty clear a mountain is being constructed from a molehill - hard for either of us not to notice _that_. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2020, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/187 "2020-03-06T19:02:11Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > You say reasonable things at times, Daichi does fairly often, Pedro does most of the time… Given that Daichi, Pedro and I are almost always completely aligned that probably means I can just articulate myself very poorly. Something I should maybe work on then 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Daoden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daoden/32/271841_2.png) [@Daoden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daoden)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2020, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/188 "2020-03-06T19:05:33Z")
You articulate better then @Nicolai_Serkanner ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2020, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/189 "2020-03-06T19:16:33Z")
> [@Pandabeer](#): > > No I’ve never been touched by them but I have seen what they are doing to others. Oh wow, that’s… literally unbelievable. AYPABTU’s recent activity includes a handful of medium high sec structure kills in Osmon, owned by 1-10 man corps that you’ve never heard of. They have 36 kills in February, 20 in January, and 9 in the combined fourth quarter of 2019. They are almost objectively beneath notice. Pandabeer is a day old character whose entire posting history is whining about AYPABTU. These guys are not operating at a scale where “interested third parties” even exist, so the idea that you’re just here advocating on behalf of AYPABTU’s victims (who are DEFINITELY not _you_, of course) is kind of laughable. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2020, 7:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/190 "2020-03-06T19:25:59Z")
> [@Pandabeer](#): > > Then if there is alpha clone abuse taking place we can find it and report it. Report what? The only abuse possible is one player with multiple alphas or logging in alphas and omegas. That is a bannable offence. How are you going to see this from a tattoo on the characters arm? You’ll still be clueless. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2020, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/191 "2020-03-06T19:56:52Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > You’ll still be clueless. For some this is the default state of being, anything else is akin to heresy. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2020, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/192 "2020-03-06T20:15:13Z")
> [@Pandabeer](#): > > Alpha clones are being used exclusively by a certain alliance to harass players via suicide ganking and via war with their alpha war dec structure grinding alt alliance. So contrary to what CCP said about alphas when they were introduced, alphas are in fact having a major impact on suicide ganking and other harassment in hisec. Neither of these are a huge problem. This is actually a good thing. Botting and farming was a problem, and ccp acted accordingly. > [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > Wanna alpha PVP - go to low/null Don’t like alphas that can gank? Play another game. > [@Pandabeer](#): > > Alliances using alt alliances of alphas to suicide gank and destroy structures means they are having much impact. Alphas were not intended to be abused in this way. One alliance that might be using alphas, but also might not, is not enough to say they are having much of an impact. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2020, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/193 "2020-03-06T20:24:33Z")
> [@Daoden](#): > > You articulate better then @Nicolai_Serkanner Fake news. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/194 "2020-03-06T20:29:54Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Don’t like alphas that can gank? Play another game. Like to gank helpless players? Pay for it. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2020, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/195 "2020-03-06T20:30:53Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > helpless players No such animal found Clueless or misinformed, perhaps ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2020, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/196 "2020-03-06T21:16:44Z")
How about giving alphas an sp award for doing pvp ? It would make so many people happy. On a more serious note: if OP suspects foul play he can make a ticket to Eve support and have the matter looked into. If it’s against the rules, action will be taken. If not he can post his idea in the Player Ideas&Features section. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2020, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/197 "2020-03-06T21:35:02Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > How about giving alphas an sp award for doing pvp ? No, ■■■■ off. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2020, 10:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/198 "2020-03-06T22:10:28Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > Like to gank helpless players? Pay for it. If they are helpless, that hardly seems worth paying for. Not much value in that. Don’t be a helpless player. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2020, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/199 "2020-03-06T22:32:21Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > Like to gank helpless players? Pay for it. Don’t have to. Have a great pvp sandbox experience. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Coagulant](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/coagulant/32/188937_2.png) [@Coagulant](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Coagulant)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2020, 11:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/200 "2020-03-06T23:02:51Z")
> [@](#): > > Checks kilboard: [https://zkillboard.com/character/1210387702/](https://zkillboard.com/character/1210387702/) = **100% gangs** … you’re not a pvper according to your own definition. What you are though is: a huge dumbass suffering from small cock syndrome. I never said I was a PvPer, when I was playing I did lots of activities but you wouldn’t find me Ganking miners, industrials or freighters… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2020, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/201 "2020-03-06T23:10:25Z")
Because strategic engagement of enemy assets just isnt cricket, you understand. ---
**Author:** ![Daoden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daoden/32/271841_2.png) [@Daoden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daoden)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2020, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/202 "2020-03-06T23:23:19Z")
Why wont you gank them? ---
**Author:** ![Pandabeer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pandabeer/32/190431_2.png) [@Pandabeer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pandabeer)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 12:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/203 "2020-03-07T00:39:38Z")
> [@Haulie\_Berry](#): > > > [@Pandabeer](#): > > > > No I’ve never been touched by them but I have seen what they are doing to others. > > Oh wow, that’s… literally unbelievable. > > AYPABTU’s recent activity includes a handful of medium high sec structure kills in Osmon, owned by 1-10 man corps that you’ve never heard of. They have 36 kills in February, 20 in January, and 9 in the combined fourth quarter of 2019. > > They are almost objectively beneath notice. > > Pandabeer is a day old character whose entire posting history is whining about AYPABTU. > > These guys are not operating at a scale where “interested third parties” even exist, so the idea that you’re just here advocating on behalf of AYPABTU’s victims (who are DEFINITELY not _you_, of course) is kind of laughable. You’re not as smart as you think Sherlock. I’ve never fought these guys and they’ve certainly not destroyed anything I own. Nor I them. Again, never been involved with them. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 12:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/204 "2020-03-07T00:47:13Z")
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