# Alpha clone suicide ganking need to stop! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 1, 2020, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191 "2020-03-01T19:50:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2020, 6:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/413 "2020-03-19T06:14:45Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > Procurers and Skiffs are way too tanky and could probably use a bit of a readjustment. I think the tank of those options is fine. It’s OK that there are ships we struggle to kill and that there is an easy counter to suicide ganking (which exists even longer than CODE. btw). What I think is out of balance is the yield difference between those ships. The Hulk and Covertor need a severe buff in my opinion. There should be a bigger advantage for people taking a risk. On the other hand the Orca could use some nerf. It just became the best solo mining ship in the game and that is pretty stupid. It is a mining command ship, more focus on that and less on actual mining. I would say the correct balance would be something like: if you have three Hulks, adding an Orca gives slightly more benefit in yield trough boosts than adding another Hulk. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/414 "2020-03-20T00:37:01Z")
> [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](#): > > After all, if ganking is supposed to be this great and wonderful Eve-saving superior leet PVP “content creation” then it should be something that people have to pay for, like the other things in Eve that people have to pay for. These kind of exquisitely butthurt tears are why I forum here. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 3:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/415 "2020-03-20T03:07:49Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > On the other hand the Orca could use some nerf. It just became the best solo mining ship in the game and that is pretty stupid. It is a mining command ship, more focus on that and less on actual mining. I would say the correct balance would be something like: if you have three Hulks, adding an Orca gives slightly more benefit in yield trough boosts than adding another Hulk. Bears repeating. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/416 "2020-03-20T12:12:02Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > For examnple(you know this would come) low/null is big enough for PVP…why let it happen in high also? Low/null is also big enough for mining… ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/417 "2020-03-20T12:18:22Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > Low/null is also big enough for mining… And what hinders anyone who wants to do it to mine in low/null? Non-pver’s on the other hand have nowhere to go…pvp is everywhere so what hinders PVP/CCP to get rid of pvp in high? ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/418 "2020-03-20T12:21:44Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > And what hinders anyone who wants to do it to mine in low/null? And what hinders anyone who wants to PvP to also do it in low/null? You are trying to use double standards here. ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/419 "2020-03-20T12:24:10Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > And what hinders anyone who wants to PvP to also do it in low/null? > You are trying to use double standards here. Am i? I’m just demanding the same right for everyone… PVP can freely do what and where they want,PVE hasn’t this luxury(undisturbed by PVP) All i want is an undisturbed area for PVE…not much of a big demand ime if you take into count that PVP still would have 2/3 of the server… ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/420 "2020-03-20T12:27:57Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > Am i? Yes, you are. You want to get rid of PvP and defend mining, and state that the PvP zone us too big. Yet both are available almost everywhere. > [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > I’m just demanding the same right for everyone… Then you surely would support making highsec mining-free as well as PvP-free. Maybe market-free as well. ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/421 "2020-03-20T12:31:19Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > Yes, you are. You want to get rid of PvP and defend mining, and state that the PvP zone us too big. Yet both are available almost everywhere. And that’s the problem here because PVP is spoiled by a ‘you are free to go everywhere’ while PVE is limited to a ‘you can do what you want but PVP comes first’… Don’t you see it? That’s the whole point… > [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > Then you surely would support making highsec mining-free as well as PvP-free. Maybe market-free as well. That’s BS and you KNOW IT… You cannot put away the sole basics of PVE with the reasoning ‘pvp has also given up something’… ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/422 "2020-03-20T12:33:33Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > You cannot put away the sole basics of PVE Not much of a big demand ime if you take into count that mining still would have 2/3 of the server… > [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > PVP is spoiled by a ‘you are free to go everywhere’ while PVE is limited to a ‘you can do what you want but PVP comes first’… Who said that? PvE players may go everywhere. Yes, they can lose ships in process; PvP players also lose ships, so what? ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/423 "2020-03-20T12:36:06Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > Who said that? PvE players may go everywhere. Yes, they can lose ships in process; PvP players also lose ships, so what? Then name me a place where PVE can go undisturbed of PVP and do its thing and PVP cannot interfere using THEIR playstyle into the PVE playstyle… I don’t know about you but i call THAT PVP preference… ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/424 "2020-03-20T12:37:04Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > Then name me a place where PVE can go undisturbed of PVP and do its thing and PVP cannot interfere using THEIR playstyle into the PVE playstyle… Abyssal deadspace. ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/425 "2020-03-20T12:38:07Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > Abyssal deadspace. You’re joking right? Scannables exits? Arenas? PVP preference at its best… ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/426 "2020-03-20T12:39:02Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > Arenas? Are they mandatory? > [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > Scannables exits? So, cloaking or warping out after finishing is not an option? ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/427 "2020-03-20T12:40:31Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > Are they mandatory? No but that does not count as a valid argument against > [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > So, cloaking or warping out after finishing is not an option? No because that is an ANTI PVP ACTION… Shouldn’t be necessary… THAT it is necessary is clearly PVP preference… ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/428 "2020-03-20T12:42:36Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > No but that does not count as a valid argument against Well, then there is a very clear PvE preference in the rest of the game, look at all those ores and missions and whatnot. Better to balance them and reduce PvE creep in the game. > [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > No because that is an ANTI PVP ACTION… So, if you are warping out of PvE site because the enemies do too much damage, you just escaped PvP? ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/429 "2020-03-20T12:44:06Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > So, if you are warping out of PVE site because the enemies do too much damage, you just escaped PvP? Sure…because PVP is everywhere…wouldn’t be so if those exits would be in a pvp free zone… And yes…it’s THAT easy… ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/430 "2020-03-20T12:45:13Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > Sure…because PVP is everywhere Okay. Then, PvP-free zone would benefit nobody, since all players are PvPers. Warping is in the tutorial, after all. ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/431 "2020-03-20T12:45:53Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > Okay. Then, PvP-free zone would benefit nobody, since all players are PvPers. Warping is in the tutorial, after all. And to change this is what this is all about…checkmate… ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/432 "2020-03-20T12:46:45Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > And to change this is what this is all about… Well, other players would not agree with your assessment that all players are PvPers, so there is nothing that needs to be changed other than your views. Besides, the topic is about alpha ganking, not about PvP as a whole. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191.md?page=20) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191.md?page=22)